Halollet's Fan-Dex! Rules inspired by you!

[Halollet]

Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo Hive!

With all these 'How To Fix' threads going on I decided to bring the best of your ideas and bring them together.  Well, what I thought were the best and would balance the codex on the whole.

I'm combing the dex, page by page and tweeking as a I go keeping in mind everything that's been brought up here.  I'm always open to suggestions and please, spell checking is always welcomed!

Halollet's Tyranid Fan-Dex
docs.google.com/document/d/16MWe-K-ajCdwNKi8qMnEwusjFzYsWbycRoXkcSYe5to/edit?usp=sharing

Inspiring Topics
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thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49816/tyranids-make-close-quarter-viable
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49309/when-new-codex-comes-out
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49396/gw-improve-tyranid-army
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49494/haruspex
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49478/fix-hive-tyrants
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49536/fix-maleceptor
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49553/fix-tyrannofex
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49569/fix-hive-crone
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49535/fix-synapse-shadow-ib
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49705/idea-pyrovores
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49514/fix-trygons
thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/49579/fix-tyranid-codex


Updates
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June 19, 2015 - Began project.  Completed first draft of Synapse, SitW, Instinictive Behaviour, and ranged and melee weapons.
June 20, 2015 - Added Inspiring Topics and upgrades and artefacts.
June 21, 2015 - Added a lot of changes to things already done from feedback.  Tyrant, Tyrant Guard, Tyranid Prime, Tervigon, and Old One Eye are up.
June 22, 2015 - All HQ and troops are up.
June 26, 2015 - All done! Version 0.1 is good to go!
June 28, 2015 - Updated several entries.
July 3, 2015 - Lots of changes based on feedback. Ver 0.2 is up!
August 20, 2015 - Ver 0.22 - Updated Trygon Prime, added Anxious Charge to Pyrovore, changed Malanthrope wounds back to 4, gave Tervigon Progenitor exclusively, gave a huge reworking to the psychic powers, changed cost on Swarm Lord and gave him flesh hooks.

[Silegy]

I have a feeling reading that would give me brain aneurysm.

[Halollet]

Jun 19, 2015 16:42:55 GMT Silegy said:

I have a feeling reading that would give me brain aneurysm.

I hope its not my terrible formating... Suggestions would be good!

[nameless]

Pretty nice changes.

I really like the army rule changes, I think most would agree that it fits very well into what we'd expect tyranids to do. Feed should probably just be +1WS and lurk should probably be stealth.

You've removed fearless from synapse though?

Yay to old sycthing tallons though.

[Halollet]

Jun 19, 2015 20:52:56 GMT nameless said:

Pretty nice changes.

I really like the army rule changes, I think most would agree that it fits very well into what we'd expect tyranids to do. Feed should probably just be +1WS and lurk should probably be stealth.

You've removed fearless from synapse though?

Yay to old sycthing tallons though.

It read like an FAQ so you just add that rule on to the rest of the rule. I did include the word 'add' at the beginning didn't I? *checks* yes I did.

But thanks for the compliment! And yeah maybe just +1 ws would work. Need some play testing done once it's done.

[swarm492]

Cool stuff, send me a message if you want to bounce ideas around.

[snakezenn]

One thing I would like to see is shadows in the warp have the same range as synapse. This will help make dominion and norn crown better. Overall looks much better, one thing that I would like to see is something along the lines of melee weapons having a profile and giving their special rules if they are not the primary weapon in use. Such as say a warrior has two melee weapons a set of rending claws and a lw+bs. If I understand it now we have to choose which weapon to make our attacks with using just one profile and gain +1 attack but no special rules from the second weapon in use. There needs to be wording saying that this weapon grants rending to the creature melee attacks instead of giving the weapon the rule IMO.

[arapaima]

Like what i be seeing in that document. That and a design principal focus on making our monster being good at what it is tailored to do.

Minor suggestion for the Malceptor. Instead of the (please do not swear) psychic power, how about we give it the deathshriek rule from the Terrogheist from WHFB's vampire count army? . Death Shriek has an 8" range that requires Line of Sight (oddly enough) and can target something regardless of if you or it are in Close Combat. You roll 2d6 and add the Wounds the Terrorgheist has, and for each point that the result exceeds the target Unit's Leadership they suffer 1 Wound with no Armor Save. Imo it fits the way Malceptor kill things, reaching out with psychic mindfuckery and explode face. Since Mal don't fly like the terrog, give the attack a much longer range.

[alaxandir]

Hi new here first post!

This is great, i play in a heavily mechanized meta where my nids' struggle dearly as they're mowed down by IG and deepstriking heavy-flamers. I really like the changes you have here and will beg my local meta to let me use them for a game and see if they mind..

I have always had the idea of a "melta-bomb" esque' biomorph for our troops.

It could read something like
-Living Bomb (10 pts)
:For each 10 hormagaunt or 10 termagaunt or 3 warriors in a brood, one model may take a Living Bomb biomorph. This biomorph grants a shooting attack with the following profile. Models may not use additional shooting attacks in conjunction with Living Bomb.
6" S- AP- Unstable Acid, Ignores Cover

Unstable Acid: A Model making a Living Bomb shooting attack immediately suffers a wound after rolling its to-hit roll, whether the attack successfully hits or not; this wound cannot be avoided by any means. Weapons with this special rule are only usable on models with armor values IE(Vehicles, Transports, Walkers); This attack follows all normal rules for shooting. Enemy models which are successfully hit by a weapon with this special rule (using the attackers BS) may make alloted saves and if fails will suffer 1d3-1 glancing hits (to a minimum of zero) and gain the Bubbling Steel special rule.

Bubbling Steel: Vehicle models with this special rule make a 1d6 check at the beginning of the controlling player's movement phase, on a roll of a 1 the vehicle immediately suffers penetrating hit, invulnerable saves are allowed. Rolls of 2-3 the vehicle suffers a glancing hit, invulnerable saves are allowed. Rolls of 4-6 the vehicle loses the special rule "Bubbling Steel" and may resume play normally while observing all effects of penetrating/glancing hits as per rules. No model may suffer from multiple instances of Bubbling Steel simultaneously.


I know my wording is verbose and can be cleaned up easily, but im sure this is enough to convey my idea. I imagine a gaunt running up to a vehicle and exploding in a torrent of horrible acid. Or warriors exploding specialized acid pods hidden inside their bodies, causing catastrophic damage to themselves but leading to further the purpose of the hive mind. How do you guys think this could be tweaked to be good?

Opinions?

[Halollet]

Added in Inspiring Topics for these changes.

Also added in the biomorphs upgrades and artefacts that are in the codex.

Edit:

Started on the Psychic powers.  I need some ideas for power and some names for the ones I have.  

No idea what Feeder Tendrils should do now.  Preferred enemy and scything talons have redundancies so I'm not happy about that.  Thoughts?

[Anggul]

I think powers of the hive mind should just be left as the one chart, it's fine that way. I do like the idea of re-rolling to hit if you manifest more than enough warp lance charges though.

Increasing to a 2+ armour save should be more expensive, say 20-25pts.

The changes to devourers and heavy bio-cannons makes the devourers look like a pretty rubbish option by comparison. Perhaps increase the cost of the heavy bio-cannons or at least give devourers something else.

Leave bio-electric pulse as directed shots rather than nova, the fluff is that they direct arcs of energy.

Fleshborer hives are too good compared to acid spray in almost all situations, especially if they're in synapse range. Reduce AP back to 5 perhaps.

Spike rifles don't need shred, they're worth as much as fleshborers already but people can't be bothered to convert them.

Feed shouldn't give re-rolls on wound rolls of 1, +1WS is enough.

Lurk should just give stealth. With these two changes each type of creatures gets one benefit from synapse.

I think reaperspitters can stay at 24" range. None of the other weapons have increased range on the MC versions.

Flamespurt's blast mode is treading on the Biovore's toes a bit too much, I think Pyrvores need a different revision. I like the small change to acid maw though.

Your synapse still has the possibility of reducing ID to 1 wound. Maybe make it so 1-3 = 2 wounds and 4-6 = 3 wounds.

[Nightmare20]

Synapse: Models in Synapse have fearless, 6+ FNP, and models with the synapse rule take d3 wounds instead of instant death.

Shadow in the Warp: Acts like Psychic Hood. Models with synapse rule count as being 1 Mastery level higher for the purpose of deny rolls (Warriors/Shrikes = 1, Terv/BL = 2, HT/Zoans = 3. SL = 4)

Primaris should be:

Warp Shield - ML1 Caster has a 5+ Invulnerable until the start of your next Psychic Phase. If that caster already has an invulnerable, increase it by 1 instead.

1. Catalyst- Casters unit and target get a 6+ FNP. Add 1 instead if they already have one.

2. The Horror - Models lose fearless and TSKNF and must pass a leadership test or be pinned.

3. Paroxysm

4. Onslaught - Run and Charge or Run and Shoot depending on Instinct.

5. Psychic Shriek - 12 inch witchfire 3d6 or 6 inch nova 2d6+2.

6. Warp Lance - S10 AP 1 and S6 AP 3 Blast

Genestealers and Hormagaunts need to ignore terrain for the purpose of movement and charges. If human and elf assassins can jump around and ninja about, so can Genestealers. DX

Just make Trygon shooting haywire on 6's.

Tervigon has Catalyst. Broodlord has The Horror. Zoanthrope has Warplance and Neurothrope has Psychic Shriek.

Raveners need combat biomorphs.

Lictors are characters, are only hit on 6's on the first round of combat, and precision hits on 6's.

Tyranid Prime can take wings for Jump.

Pyrovores' Flame Spurt has Soul Blaze.

Zoanthropes Mastery Level is Cumulative and starts at 1. Neurothrope at 2 (1 Zoan = 1, 2 Zoan = 2, 2 Zoan + Neuro = 4)

Zoans and Venoms not slowed by terrain for movement but still take dangerous (they freaking float!).

Warlord Table:

1. All terrain features (Copse, Ruins, Etc) is dangerous and -1 cover saves to enemy models.

2. After taking a wound, gets 5+ FNP or adds 1 to existing FNP (now stacks with synapse and catalyst FNP to a 4+)

3. 1 VP for killing characters, 2 VP for killing in a challenge.

4. Army wide Night Vision and Acute Senses.

5. +6 to synapse and Shadow in the Warp.

6. Models in Synapse of warlord have PE vs Army of player's choice.

[topaxygourouni]

I think you are allowing for 5 pt hormagaunts with devourers

[glitchrr36]

for the malecraptor, make the power WC one. and maybe a slight buff in range.

I would also give trygons and trygon primes the ability to assault from deep strike, and make them move like beasts.

[Halollet]

Replies in italic!

Jun 21, 2015 8:56:46 GMT Anggul said:

I think powers of the hive mind should just be left as the one chart, it's fine that way. I do like the idea of re-rolling to hit if you manifest more than enough warp lance charges though.
Had a lot of people crying over the lost of biomancy so while I was fixing problems I'd thought I fix that one too.  Alternatively I could bring things back like bonded exoskeleton which provided +1 toughness.

Increasing to a 2+ armour save should be more expensive, say 20-25pts.
Agreed

The changes to devourers and heavy bio-cannons makes the devourers look like a pretty rubbish option by comparison. Perhaps increase the cost of the heavy bio-cannons or at least give devourers something else.
Could bring back the living ammo which allowed re rolls to wound.

Leave bio-electric pulse as directed shots rather than nova, the fluff is that they direct arcs of energy.
Okay

Fleshborer hives are too good compared to acid spray in almost all situations, especially if they're in synapse range. Reduce AP back to 5 perhaps.
Hmmm, I think it might be too much like brainleechs at that point.  Maybe reduce shots to 15 and lose the twin linked?

Spike rifles don't need shred, they're worth as much as fleshborers already but people can't be bothered to convert them.
Sure!

Feed shouldn't give re-rolls on wound rolls of 1, +1WS is enough.

Lurk should just give stealth. With these two changes each type of creatures gets one benefit from synapse.
K.I.S.S. right? Done.

I think reaperspitters can stay at 24" range. None of the other weapons have increased range on the MC versions.
Makes sense.

Flamespurt's blast mode is treading on the Biovore's toes a bit too much, I think Pyrvores need a different revision. I like the small change to acid maw though.
That is true.  I had the idea of having shock and acid sprays from it, maybe go that route?

Your synapse still has the possibility of reducing ID to 1 wound. Maybe make it so 1-3 = 2 wounds and 4-6 = 3 wounds.
True, but its still a step down from Eternal Warrior.  Maybe some play testing is in order?