How to fix: Hive Crone

[glitchrr36]

simple one this time. Give the drool cannon torrent, decrease cost by twenty points. another potential upgrade (warning major wishlisting!!) is a tentaclid cyst, which would allow it to regain tentaclids lost, to a maximum of four, on a roll of 5+ probably would cost 30+pts. It gain regain them at any point, and if the roll is failed, you can roll again next time.

[jimmyp]

Mmm torrent rule would be cool...maybe toughness 6 to stop instant death.....possible wish would be 3+ save

[Kark]

I think hive crone is just fine as it is. I play crones very often and I am quite satisfied with them. I guess that in the future codex we can have some special formation rules, like additional hits from vector strikes

To be honest I would be ok with armor save reduction to 5+ or 6+ even. Hive Crone still have 4+ jink save and while swooping it is hit on snapshots only. Lowered armour would make hive crone tougher against grav weapons.

[tylertt]

So many of these How to Fix threads.

Crone is decent as is. Bring back D3 vector strikes is all it needs.

[tarrasque]

So how to fix threads have evolved into how to needlessly buff threads? Works for me. Single Strength D hit vector strike. Ap 3 drool cannon. Maybe +1 to cover saves when jinking from a formation or something.

Incidentally, the Crone is fine. Not auto take, but it does it's job for a fair cost.

[phayze]

crone is great as-is. if we have the old d3 vector strikes against ground targets, it would be nearly perfect. torrent flamer is ok, I would like it to be changed to a dual profile: S6 AP4 torrent or S8 AP3 assault 2 gunk
gunk: flyers testing a crash and burn test or fmc's doing grounding tests do so at an additional -1 penalty.

I just don't like that my crone is twice the size of my flyrants, but has less armor, less toughness and strength, and only one extra wound to show for it.

[slithernaut]

May 13, 2015 16:06:08 GMT jimmyp said:

Mmm torrent rule would be cool...maybe toughness 6 to stop instant death.....possible wish would be 3+ save

It should be T6, because T6 is more or less equal to AV10, and T5 is more or less equal to AV9, which is a joke

T6 5w 4+sv, exactly what a flying carni should be...

[blackrainbow]

Yeah, crone is good. Few tweeks could be done, but I'm happy with the old bird. I like either the torrent, or D3 vector (keeping the S8), or the T6, but just one would make her perfect.

Look to the units that need fixing, not just go down a list for what to wish-list next.

[Silegy]

D3 VS

[overlordmidus]

or a sixth wound. having the airborne monsters be T5 with a 4+ seems fitting, since they would need lighter frames to stay up in the air. I see no reason they can't have 6 wounds like the other large tyranid monsters though.


then again, with strength D weapons becoming integrated into regular 40k now, I wouldn't complain about seeing all our monsters with 8 wounds, just so it takes more than one D weapon and a random lascannon to kill it.

[heavyturtle]

Give it T6 and BS4, give drool torrent, keep it at the same points cost

[tylertt]

I'll sum up all these threads for everyone.

How to Fix Codex Tyranids:

T9 all MCs
S:D on TL Devourers
Reduce all model point costs by half.

The Crone is solid where he is fellas. The only thing that hurt him bad was loosing D3 vector strikes, which is a fault of the core rulebook and not with the codex entry.

[nurglitch]

One automatic S8 AP2 hit is pretty good.

[krakentendrilswarm]

May 14, 2015 11:14:51 GMT tylertt said:

I'll sum up all these threads for everyone.

How to Fix Codex Tyranids:

T9 all MCs
S:D on TL Devourers
Reduce all model point costs by half.

The Crone is solid where he is fellas. The only thing that hurt him bad was loosing D3 vector strikes, which is a fault of the core rulebook and not with the codex entry.

Except that's not really what's being asked for at all. Oh well.

Anyway I think the Crone is in a pretty good place. It would be cool to see its VS amped up a bit to D3 vs ground targets (putting it back where it was at the time of release), but it's not one of our units crying out for attention (unlike 1/2 of the entries we do have).

[tylertt]

May 14, 2015 17:13:05 GMT krakentendrilswarm said:

May 14, 2015 11:14:51 GMT tylertt said:

I'll sum up all these threads for everyone.

How to Fix Codex Tyranids:

T9 all MCs
S:D on TL Devourers
Reduce all model point costs by half.

The Crone is solid where he is fellas. The only thing that hurt him bad was loosing D3 vector strikes, which is a fault of the core rulebook and not with the codex entry.

Except that's not really what's being asked for at all. Oh well.

Anyway I think the Crone is in a pretty good place. It would be cool to see its VS amped up a bit to D3 vs ground targets (putting it back where it was at the time of release), but it's not one of our units crying out for attention (unlike 1/2 of the entries we do have).

My point was that people are constantly making these threads and giving absurd boosts to units thinking it 'fixes' them, when it just makes them super OP.

We get a thread every day or so now of this stuff, and it mostly all has these responses littered all over.