Would you take a Haruspex IF...

[nikh]

So I desperately want to like the Haruspex; it's one of the coolest looking Nid models in recent releases (my opinion, of course) and seems like a pretty potent can-opener in its own right. I thought with the release of the Tyrannocyte, Nid players might pick the new bug up, give it AG and send it after rear armor, but people still seem iffy about the tentacle maw. So my question is, what is the current gripe with the Haruspex? What would it need for YOU to take it, if it isn't currently listed in the poll?

[Hive Bahamut]

It's special rules are anti Infantry. Its rules are seemingly intended for anti vehicle. It doesn't do either. Slug that has WS 3, S6, 6" move, 3+ save and not even grenades on something that looks like it is going to eat everything. Scything talons are wasted because GW is stupid. Bad.

Rule of cool. If it looks sweet the rules probably suck. (Wait a second.. Tyranids look cool..)

We don't need a tarpit MC, Tyranids already bully as it is, redundant use.

It also needs to go to WS4, have beast or run after charge and I bet it would still be useless. Close combat only doesn't work well in 7th with good units..

[nikh]

I remember when it first came out, the reason no one gave it a second glance was due to the mobility issue. I was hoping the recent 'cyte had fixed that, but I suppose that's just me wanting good rules on a cool model. Oh, and as for "cool model = bad rules", I will totally agree, just look at the Maleceptor.

[arapaima]

Pump the pts a bit, turn him back into a Gargantuan Creature -1w +1T and +1 Strength. The haru was originally envisioned as a hard hitting fast moving line breaker that murder troops by the masses. He need the speed and toughness to get there as well as a mass of attacks for it.

Folks be fussing about the plentiful strength D introduce in the eldar but I will go ahead and make crushing claw a strength D weapon. This is the pincer of a giant monster that can punch holes in tanks. If something is getting crush by that it should do more than one wound.

Red Swallow whole if all attacks hit and Gulp be turn into a precision shot weapon that ID a target T4 or below (characters can LOS). Stuff that are bulky or T5 will just enter base to base once dragged.

Keep all other rules.

[N.I.B.]

While Beast would be nice, at this point it wouldn't cut it. Maybe with a slight point decrease on top. And actually able to do what it's supposed to do, whatever that is. Three attacks at WS3 makes sure its special extra attacks rule might as well not exist (and to be really sure it only works on the charge IF it can get the charge, thank you Cruddace we love you too).

For its current cost to make sense it should be Beast, have higher WS, and Rampage.

[Deleted]

I'd contemplate taking it if they gave it the formation rule it has in the valedor book(aka if your enemy can draw line of sight to a haruspex they get -3 Ld so long as they're in los. Beast status would certainly be a top choice as well.

[arapaima]

Yea rampage how could I forget about that. I add a feeding frenzy special rulethat let's it consolidate enemy units.

[gigasnail]

most of that stuff would make them more than decent/good.

[bolk]

When a Carnifex with CCs and AG costs less and does the same job better, the Haruspex gets kinda reduntant. I find the Toxicrene, and not to mention the Dimachaeron, to be a much better infantrykillers and a Carnifex with CCs will murder any vehicles.
If it was Beast, had WS4 and atleast 4 attacks base it would be well worth its points.

[voracious]

GW lost a great opportunity with the Haruspex: turn it in the fisrt monstrous creature with transport capacity (the carnifex is the anti-vehicle MC, the haruspex is redundant).

[sentsuki]

I would not take it on a train,
It wont consume upon a plane
I dont care if it would eat spleens,
I would not take it against marines.

I would not play it on a boat,
I do not care what rules are wrote,
I do not like this Haruspex,
For it is no good at eating meqs

[N.I.B.]

May 5, 2015 13:08:24 GMT voracious said:

GW lost a great opportunity with the Haruspex: turn it in the fisrt monstrous creature with transport capacity

I don't understand, do Tyranid players want a transport monster, outside the Tervigon and Tyrannocyte? I've got a looong wish list, but a Transportofex isn't on it.

[nurglitch]

It's kind of interesting that Haruspexes and Pyrovores are on the same page of the codex.

[blackrainbow]

While adding Beast could solve so many of our rules, I don't see old Haru as a beast. The GC is more in fitting with how it looks, and overall we need a broad bump in WS and/or BS - bring back options to buy-up! But for me, as I still do run it, AG of course, that maw needs to count as assault grenades. It also needs a bump in strength, rending (come on, with that mouth!), and shred.

I can deal with the low WS overall, though that always sucks, if it was designed to shovel things indiscriminately into it's mouth, then I can understand that. Now most of the things I list wont help it get into combat, other than grenades. So put her in a pod.

Now, to get another pod for that maleceptor...

[angelwing]

ws4 and beast would help immensely, and bring it nearer to how it used to be with 2nd ed armorcast rules and epic - a fast, rampaging, indiscriminate linebreaker.
Interestingly enough I took two in an apoc game monday. They spent 3 turns running forward before one got squished by an imperial knight I couldn't hurt unless I gambled a smash attack (didn't get the chance as the knight had a higher initiative of course). They did their distraction job really well though.