When our new codex comes out...

[doomreaper9]

Hey hive family! Anyways been hearing a lot of rumors about the next Tyranid codex coming up. Soo what things would you change if you were one of the people who was given charge to make the next codex for the Tyranids?

One change if I were in charge would be to fix shadow in the warp. As it stands now it's really not that useful like it was, I'm not saying it's bad but maybe needs to be updated to 7th ed rules. Second I would make changes to the warlord traits. As of any models we really don't need new ones but make some of old ones better. Like being able to assault better, movement is still a issue for some models, and CC. So here is some of my thoughts.

[jimmyp]

Shadows of the warp should change to include deny the witch is stronger ie 5+ deny instead of 6s.
Warriors should be cheaper or get T5 and 3+ save.
Raveners should be able to assault from deep strike.
Trygon and mawloc should have a larger move then just 6"
Rupture cannon should be better have higher ap and tfex should be BS 4.
Toxicrene should have the option to get adrenal glands etc so it can gain fleet.
Trygon prime should have haywire rule for its shooting and close combat attacks, the fluff describes it being electrical charged.
Walking hive tyrant should have a warp field inv save of 4+ not just the 3+ armour save.
Hive guard should be BS4 not 3.

[j0rdan]

Shadow In the Warp: Change it so any psyker in the shadow who wants to manifest a power must first pass a leadership test. Then, if they can manifest, subtract 1 from all die rolls. That way it is harder to manifest, but they can never perils, which makes sense fluff-wise.

Warriors: Allow any warrior squad to disperse and attach to Termagaunt and Hormagant squads. (1 per squad, or maybe 2?)

Tervigon: Take away backlash. Either make the spawning exhaust temporary or give back gaunt buffs.

Warp Blast: For the love of hive and all that's holy, either make this a shooting attack or a psychic power, but not both. The lance version has to win the lottery to do anything. (Roll to manifest[M2!]. Roll to hit. Roll to wound. Opponent gets cover/invuln.)

Decrease the price of artifacts. Or make them worth taking.

More biomorph options to bugs bigger than gaunts.

Make carnifexen 5 wounds base or toughness 7.

That's all I have at the moment.

[nikh]

No Cannibalistic Hunger rule. Hive Guard back to BS4. More access to Assault grenades. Scything Talons back to Fifth Edition rules. Points decrease on bio-artifacts. Swarmlord becomes LoW and doesn't completely suck. Shadow in the Warp actually doing something. More points drops.

[Kark]

I would love to see improved MCs. Trygon being S10 and T8, Tervigon and Tyrannofex could be T7, Haruspex and Toxicrene might have WS4 and 12'' move that is not slowed down by terrain. Greater range for Exocrine, BS4 and lower cost for maleceptor, cheaper Tyrannocytes.

Also access to divination and other disciplines.

[eskimo]

Give the codex some character. Remove artifacts and be replaced with unique characters from each hive fleet. Deathleaper, OOE, Red Terror, Doom of Malantai etc etc.
Hive Fleet FOC. Each Hive Fleet gives whole army a special trait like Furious Charge because they are known as being so, and another fleet all having deepstrike due to it's appearance from knowhere. While some fleets only being limited to certain models, ie a deepstriking fleet can't take Fex.

Scything Talons giving an extra atk.
Bounding Leap is run + charge.
Swarmlord buffs the army to fook.
IB becomes interesting and fun.
Synapse units of more than 3 in 12" of each other create a 12" FNP bubble.
Monstrous Creatures get a strength and toughness boost but save nerf.
Psychic table becomes larger.
Brain Leeches get nerfed.
Feeder beasts get stronger and tougher as they feed, + Pyro gets a boost as standard.
Tyrant Guards are 30pts each. Brood of 5.
All round weapon fixes. Strangleweb is str1 but pins on initiative test without wounding. Hits = tests.
HVC AP3
Fleshborer Hive is 40 shots (lol)
Flesh hooks for most!!!!!!
Stealers get 4atks each
Lictor assaults from deepstrike if moving out of woods/ ruins

+ all FAQs cleared up and well written with nice art and no formations as Hive Fleets are taken. More Hive Fleet coverage.

Wishlisting to fook i know

[bronyzro]

Well, Let's be honest here, those rumors of a new codex are pretty salty at best. We probably won't get another codex for at least 12 months.
... Of course, I'm not above a little dreaming, so here we go!

Maleceptor needs to be ML 3, and its goofy psychic power should probably be WC 1.

Haruspex's tounge attack should be... something. Small Blast? Flamer with AP reduced to 3? I don't know, but get on it GW!

If I was in charge, first thing I would probably do is remove the obvious cut-and-paste remnants, like the BS from Hormagants and Venomthropes. I mean, come on.

Make our Trygons and Mawlocs beasts, which is pretty obvious.

That's all that I have for now that might be considered reasonable.



However, below is a wall of text that's a total revamp of warriors. The amount of wishlisting and lack of any understanding of game balance here is pretty silly. You've been warned. Have fun!

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Let's make warriors interesting. Basic Warriors will be troop choices with the following profile

WS    BS   S   T   I   A   Ld    Sv    Points
 5       3     4   4   5   3   10    5+     19

Synapse range of 6"


Weapons

These weapons are added to the Melee Bio-Weapons list 



Bonesword - This living blade of chitin crackles with synaptic and bioelectric energy, focusing the wrath of the Hivemind through the weapon's host to better cleave limbs and gut prey.



S         AP          Special
User    3             Synaptic Conduit, Ferocity

Synaptic Conduit: The Bonesword hums with the will of the Hivemind. A model equipped with this weapon adds +3 to its synapse range. This bonus is cumulative for each bonesword that a model is equipped with

Ferocity: The symbiotic blade spurs its host onward, eager to taste the blood of its newest victim. A model equipped with a Bonesword adds +1 to its weapon skill when engaged in combat. This bonus is cumulative for each bonesword that a model is equipped with.

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Bonesword and Rending Claw - In close quarters, a tyranid wielding these are capable of peeling apart all but the heaviest of armour



   S     AP    Special                                                       Points
User    3      Synaptic Conduit, Ferocity, Rending               15


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Lashwhip and Bonesword - Some tyranid creatures wield these bio-weapons as a deadly symbiotic combination.



   S         AP             Special                                                       Points
User        3               Synaptic Conduit, Ferocity, Swiftstrike           15


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Twin Boneswords - These symbiotic blades resonate with an unholy alien fury. 



  S        AP        Special                                              Points
User      3           Synaptic Conduit, Ferocity, Shred        20

Twin Boneswords count as two Boneswords for the purposes of the Synaptic Conduit and Ferocity special rules.



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Additional Biomorphs


Extended Carapace - These thick armored plates shield the Tyranid from otherwise horrendous injury. A model with this biomorph improves its armor save by 1 and reduces its base Initiative by 1. Cannot be taken with the Wings biomorph. 4 pts.

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Wings - The forelimbs of some Tyranid creatures are in fact giant leathery wings. Infantry with this biomorph are the Jump Infantry unit type. Cannot be taken with the Extended Carapace biomorph. 6 pts.

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Reinforced Chitin - Some Tyranids secrete layers of ablative gel to protect themselves from harm. A model with this biomorph increases its base toughness by 1. 4 pts.

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Enhanced Musculature - Certain Tyranids have evolved to be hideously strong. A model with this biomorph increases its base strength by 1. 3 pts.

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Warrior Primes - These warriors are more cunning and vicious than their weaker cousins, and posses a much stronger connection to the hivemind. Warriors with this biomorph gain the Independent Character special rule and make the following changes to their profile: +1 WS, +1 BS, +1 T, +1 A, +1 Sv. In addition, a model with this biomorph increases its synapse range by 6". 26 pts.

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Genetically Diverse: Warriors and variant strains are an extremely common feature in a Tyranid swarm, seen fulfilling a wide variety of battlefield roles. When purchasing your army, Warriors with certain biomorphs may be taken in alternative army slots in addition to troop slots.

Biomorph                   Alt Army Slot
Wings                            Fast Attack
Reinforced Chitin            Elite
Warrior Primes               HQ

[Kwodd]

I hope we don't get a new dex for a couple years.

[glitchrr36]

I have a lot of changes. Full post when off mobile

[swarm492]

Apr 8, 2015 13:58:30 GMT jimmyp said:

Shadows of the warp should change to include deny the witch is stronger ie 5+ deny instead of 6s.
Warriors should be cheaper or get T5 and 3+ save.
Raveners should be able to assault from deep strike.
Trygon and mawloc should have a larger move then just 6"
Rupture cannon should be better have higher ap and tfex should be BS 4.
Toxicrene should have the option to get adrenal glands etc so it can gain fleet.
Trygon prime should have haywire rule for its shooting and close combat attacks, the fluff describes it being electrical charged.
Walking hive tyrant should have a warp field inv save of 4+ not just the 3+ armour save.
Hive guard should be BS4 not 3.

GW you hire this person, and do it now.

[yoritomo]

You know, the tyranid codex isn't that bad. A few tweaks to bring it into 7th would be helpful.

First off, shadows in the warp needs to be changed. I'd either modify the number needed to deny the witch or require more success for each unit with SitW in range.

Second we need something to make us faster. It doesn't have to be much, something as simple as assaulting after running would do.

Third would be to make the trygon a gargantuan creature again. If the imperarals get their knight then we should get our version back.

Finally, we should get ranged weapons based on the unit's strength again. It may not stop the devourers from being auto includes, but it would give us some interesting options. What if you could put a S8 stranglethorn cannon on a carnifex, would that tempt you from taking the devourers?

[jimmyp]

Apr 8, 2015 20:55:27 GMT swarm492 said:

Apr 8, 2015 13:58:30 GMT jimmyp said:

Shadows of the warp should change to include deny the witch is stronger ie 5+ deny instead of 6s.
Warriors should be cheaper or get T5 and 3+ save.
Raveners should be able to assault from deep strike.
Trygon and mawloc should have a larger move then just 6"
Rupture cannon should be better have higher ap and tfex should be BS 4.
Toxicrene should have the option to get adrenal glands etc so it can gain fleet.
Trygon prime should have haywire rule for its shooting and close combat attacks, the fluff describes it being electrical charged.
Walking hive tyrant should have a warp field inv save of 4+ not just the 3+ armour save.
Hive guard should be BS4 not 3.

GW you hire this person, and do it now.


lol thanks mate! 

[Davor]

I don't think the rumours are true, just bunk. Really? Dominatrix, 1-3 as a TROOP CHOICE?!!

Now for wishes, I would like my fleshborer gaunts to be like BS 2 or even 1, but cost like 2 or 3 points a mini. Make them glass cannons very weak and not strong. To me that would be a real swarm. Give them the ability to add BS and S for people who want the regular haunts the way they are now.
Stealers have the ability to assault in cover and not strike at initiative one but normal initiative.
Trygons/Mawlocs become Monstrous Creature Beasts. I don't know, seeing a giant snake looks fast.

Tyranid Special Rule, all Tyranid units can assault after running.

I like the idea as someone mentioned (sorry forgot your name) to give Raveners the ability to assault after D/S.

[doomreaper9]

These ideas are great. Though with a game as big as warhammer 40k is, it's hard to balance through the pro's and con's of any codex. Thanks guys for ur input.

[doomreaper9]

What if.. We got a Flyrant that could swoop and assualt in the same turn? That would make my pants creamy! Lol!