Bahamuts fluid list of mono GSC

[Hive Bahamut]

I have had 2 games now against Custodes and Tau using the Myriad Cults, and I can see the merits to the flexibility. I didn't use the list above, but counter-intuitive to my prior advice and swapped lists each time. I ended up with something inspired by Kaze's Toxin list, but a little different.. The end of this little corridor takes us to some sort of weird Buff buddy list. Very cool for the new tokens that were just made for the Primus/Magus etc.


Onto the fun part:

Myriad Cult (Accustomed to Turmoil, Industrial Affinity and Toxin Agents)
I like Turmoil because it has hidden value and one that surprises the opponent sometimes. 6 point models not being wounded any better than 3+ is fun. Tying them into TTL and now it is special. Add in 5+++ and deepstrike on a squad that doesn't need to be engaging and I really like this backbone. I was expecting them to get dumpstered by Tau or Veratus Praetors, but smart deployment or just deepstrike can negate any extra threat, allowing chip damage to be replaced by the Banners.

Toxin Agents I forgot about entirely the game I used it until the last round but it seems to have mega value on the melee, and a good way to boost melee without rerolls or any of the other stuff that can be countered, while itself countering things like Transhuman.

Industrial Affinity is self explanatory. All the gravy is here, including weird things like Blasting charges, yet oddly enough the Achilles Missile is not. Very useful trait, as it allows Cutters to excel, but also to maintain that 3+ (reroll 1's) for shooting AND melee. This is why Myriads are good.




++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [93 PL, 10CP, 1,996pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Cult Creed
. Myriad Cult: Accustomed to Turmoil (1), Industrial Affinity (1), Toxin Agents (2)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

Gene-sire's Gifts [-2CP]: 2x Extra Relic

+ No Force Org Slot +

Biophagus [3 PL, 65pts]: Alchemicus Familiar, Proficient Planning: Alchemist Supreme

Kelermorph [4 PL, 95pts]: Proficient Planning: A Perfect Ambush, Relic: Wyrmtooth Rounds

Nexos [3 PL, 50pts]: Relic: Cranial Inlay

+ HQ +

Magus [4 PL, 90pts]: Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Psychic Stimulus, Psychic Familiar, Relic: The Crouchling

Patriarch [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond, Psychic Familiar, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Biomorph Adaptation

Primus [4 PL, 80pts]

+ Troops +

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 45pts]
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife

Acolyte Hybrids [4 PL, 65pts]: Proficient Planning: Lying in Wait
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife

Acolyte Hybrids [12 PL, 215pts]: Proficient Planning: A Trap Sprung
. 8x Acolyte Hybrid: 8x Autopistol, 8x Blasting Charges, 8x Cult Claws and Knife, 8x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Bonesword, Cult Lash Whip

Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 215pts]
. 11x Neophyte Hybrid: 11x Autogun, 11x Autopistol, 11x Blasting Charges, 11x Frag Grenades
. 3x Neophyte Hybrid (Grenade): 3x Autopistol, 3x Blasting Charges, 3x Frag Grenades, 3x Grenade Launcher
. Neophyte Hybrid (Icon): Autogun, Cult Icon
. 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Seismic Cannon
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 215pts]
. 11x Neophyte Hybrid: 11x Autogun, 11x Autopistol, 11x Blasting Charges, 11x Frag Grenades
. 3x Neophyte Hybrid (Grenade): 3x Autopistol, 3x Blasting Charges, 3x Frag Grenades, 3x Grenade Launcher
. Neophyte Hybrid (Icon): Autogun, Cult Icon
. 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Seismic Cannon
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 215pts]
. Genomic Enhancement (Alchemist Supreme): Enhanced Resilience
. 3x Neophyte Hybrid (Flamer): 3x Autopistol, 3x Blasting Charges, 3x Flamer, 3x Frag Grenades
. Neophyte Hybrid (Icon): Cult Icon, Cult Shotgun
. 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Seismic Cannon
. 11x Neophyte Hybrid (Shotgun): 11x Autopistol, 11x Blasting Charges, 11x Cult Shotgun, 11x Frag Grenades
. Neophyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Shotgun

+ Elites +

Aberrants [7 PL, 150pts]
. 4x Aberrant: 4x Heavy Power Weapon
. Aberrant Hypermorph: Heavy Power Weapon

Aberrants [7 PL, 150pts]
. 4x Aberrant: 4x Heavy Power Weapon
. Aberrant Hypermorph: Heavy Power Weapon

+ Fast Attack +

Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 53pts]: Demolition Charge
. 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms

Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 53pts]: Demolition Charge
. 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms

+ Dedicated Transport +

Goliath Truck [5 PL, 90pts]

++ Total: [93 PL, 10CP, 1,996pts] ++

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Engage/Brood/Strangle
RND/Banners/Teleport
TTL/Interrogate

Notes:

I keep wanting to dump the Patriarch but every game it comes in clutch. Auto Advance to murder, psychic support, morale assistance, and that juicy baked in 4++ that our other characters pay a relic slot for.

Primus is oddly enough a unit I did not like before the idea of a built in TTL that didn't rely on my enemy not nuking my Kill squads. Now it is part of the integral plan. The Primus and Nexos sit in the furthest corner buffing a Neophyte blob while sending out RR1's.

Magus is the same deal as the Nexos/Primus but they get to go behind one of the other Neos, just to send buffs or in a pinch Interrogate, with the Patriarch as a backup.

Acolytes are excellent. 15x6 Cutters is oh yeah! Abuse that Affinity by diving into -1 enemies! EFFICIENCY! It would be nice to have that 3rd squad to deepstrike but oh well.

Neophytes are excellent as well. 3x4 Seismic Cannons that can Overcharge one for 2/3D with BS3+ RR1's seems great. With Mini-trans they are harder to kill than expected, and can always just disappear with RttS if they need. They are also a good reason why Broodswarm can be taken. 60 models is an easy 20x20x20 or whatever need be.

Biophagus is kind of a flex choice but does become important to Aberrants not being bad. That little familiar is handier than you think. I like to imagine him running some sort of Xenoade to the squad and them just chugging it back.

Nexos is as close to auto include as I get in this army. Handing out that token is enough (Hidden units and characters) but sending those buffs 2x while regaining CP has become part of "the plan." No RR 1's for Aberrants here but oh well.

Kelermorph is just so unique in this codex. A DEADLY shooting deepstrike unit. Fire off those small shots to pickup a squad of infantry, or pull out the slugs to drop a few elites. With the movement schenanigans it is like this unit was built to kite. Peek-a-BOOM!

I have found although I prefer the 10 Aberrant unit it is strictly broken down to maximize this style for TTL. I can always just swap the Enhancement to one Aberrant 5 and play defensive with the shotguns instead, to keep the 5+++ on both.

Jackals.. The best Gophers in the game. Being able to optionally melee or overcharge that Demo charge is nice, although I don't usually ever want to engage with them, they just go for places.

Goliath is well.. Alone now. I love the idea of Grinders but the capacity is a killer and I just can't find a reason to dump ol trusty. This truck has been a staple for some time now.

Although there are 6 characters it is quite difficult to get assassinate without ILOS. Primus/Nexos hold hands in one corner, Magus the other (Brood caster,) and Kelermorph a third when arriving. This leaves the Patriarch and Biophagus front and centre, but I really feel like this is not only necessary but fits their narrative.

There are no Purestrains, but as much as I love them, they really don't seem to be presented with enough of a trade. I feel like I am making a mistake by not including them here though, that Toxin Agents is so good to counter their S4. The Patriarch is their replacement though, and I feel like that is a lot more utility.

[kazetanade]

I've been leaning harder to 3x20 Neophytes as well, but I got dumpstered by Eldar so that idea doesnt fly, cuz Forewarned will kill a unit every turn you drop one. We actually need a fair bit of MSU to navigate that matchup, or be willing to make pretty big losses. The Kellermorph seems to be a key player in that matchup, since he's the only one who can get at the Farseers making life difficult. I've even considered getting a Patrol to get 2 of them.

One other thing is the Patriarch. I like him a lot on paper. Then I also notice that 10 PGS cost the same, and are 40-50 attacks and will output the same if not much more damage than the Patty, leaving his main utility to be almost all in his extra spells, or in giving WLTs to the other HQ slots. I have found it really hard to convince myself to play him in there seriously despite me loving the models.

[Hive Bahamut]

A few more games under the way and things are starting to come into focus more. I have used only Twisted Helix and Myriads so far, but will get across the board. I need more Aberrants... For Bladed Cog.


I am going to be playing a league (first BCP use!) and am using the following list: (I don't know if I like it at all, but oh well)



++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [98 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Cult Creed
. Myriad Cult: Accustomed to Turmoil (1), Industrial Affinity (1), Synaptic Resonance (1), War Convoy (1)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

Gene-sire's Gifts [-2CP]: 2x Extra Relic

Leaders of the Cult [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Biophagus [3 PL, 65pts]: Alchemicus Familiar, Proficient Planning: Alchemist Supreme

Kelermorph [3 PL, 80pts]: Relic: Wyrmtooth Rounds

Nexos [3 PL, 50pts]: Relic: Cranial Inlay

+ HQ +

Magus [4 PL, 90pts]: Inspiring Leader, Leader of the Cult, Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Psychic Stimulus, Psychic Familiar, Relic: The Crouchling

Patriarch [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond, Psychic Familiar, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Biomorph Adaptation

Primus [5 PL, 95pts]: Leader of the Cult, Proficient Planning: Exacting Planner, Warlord Trait: Alien Majesty

+ Troops +

Acolyte Hybrids [7 PL, 144pts]
. 2x Acolyte Hybrid: 2x Autopistol, 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Cult Claws and Knife, 2x Frag Grenades
. 3x Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): 3x Blasting Charges, 3x Cult Claws and Knife, 3x Frag Grenades, 3x Hand Flamer
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Bonesword, Cult Lash Whip

Acolyte Hybrids [7 PL, 135pts]
. 5x Acolyte Hybrid: 5x Autopistol, 5x Blasting Charges, 5x Cult Claws and Knife, 5x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Bonesword, Cult Lash Whip

Acolyte Hybrids [7 PL, 135pts]
. 5x Acolyte Hybrid: 5x Autopistol, 5x Blasting Charges, 5x Cult Claws and Knife, 5x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Bonesword, Cult Lash Whip

Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 200pts]
. Genomic Enhancement (Alchemist Supreme): Enhanced Resilience
. 14x Neophyte Hybrid: 14x Autogun, 14x Autopistol, 14x Blasting Charges, 14x Frag Grenades
. Neophyte Hybrid (Icon): Autogun, Cult Icon
. 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Seismic Cannon
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

Neophyte Hybrids [4 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 2x Autopistol, 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Frag Grenades, 2x Seismic Cannon
. 7x Neophyte Hybrid (Shotgun): 7x Autopistol, 7x Blasting Charges, 7x Cult Shotgun, 7x Frag Grenades
. Neophyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Shotgun

Neophyte Hybrids [4 PL, 90pts]
. 2x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 2x Autopistol, 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Frag Grenades, 2x Seismic Cannon
. 7x Neophyte Hybrid (Shotgun): 7x Autopistol, 7x Blasting Charges, 7x Cult Shotgun, 7x Frag Grenades
. Neophyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Shotgun

+ Elites +

Purestrain Genestealers [8 PL, 150pts]: Proficient Planning: They Came From Below
. 10x Purestrain Genestealer: 10x Cult Claws and Talons

+ Fast Attack +

Achilles Ridgerunners [12 PL, 240pts]
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Achilles Missile Launcher, Flare Launcher
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Achilles Missile Launcher, Flare Launcher
. Achilles Ridgerunner: Achilles Missile Launcher, Flare Launcher

Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 53pts]: Demolition Charge
. 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms

Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 53pts]: Demolition Charge
. 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms

+ Dedicated Transport +

Goliath Truck [5 PL, 90pts]

Goliath Truck [5 PL, 90pts]

++ Total: [98 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++

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I probably should have taken Deep Supplies or Toxin instead of Synaptic and Convoy but I haven't tried them before. It also SHOULD mean that as long as I am out of deny range no powers should fail, with a full reroll and/or reroll 1,2's.

I forgot to add in a Trap Sprung on an Acolyte squad, but I wanted to try GSC without relying on Deepstrike? Auspex=

Secondaries:
Engage/Brood/Strangle
RND/Banners
Psychic Interrogate/TTL/NP

Opponent Secondaries:
ASS: 15 ALWAYS
NP:9
Down:5
Abhor: 6?

Excited to see what I can do. Any input is welcome.

[kazetanade]

You're already doing the fnp Neophytes, go the extra mile for icon too.

If you're gonna do Drills, do 15 guys with Drills. 10 with Drills does too little too late.

Biophagus without a Abberant unit??

No Lying in Wait shenanigans?

Do you have units to enable tricky plays and to maximize your damage? You look fully loaded to the brim to burst damage, but who is suppose to enable or maximize that damage potential?

[Hive Bahamut]

Apr 29, 2022 11:07:13 GMT kazetanade said:

You're already doing the fnp Neophytes, go the extra mile for icon too.

If you're gonna do Drills, do 15 guys with Drills. 10 with Drills does too little too late.

Biophagus without a Abberant unit??

No Lying in Wait shenanigans?

Do you have units to enable tricky plays and to maximize your damage? You look fully loaded to the brim to burst damage, but who is suppose to enable or maximize that damage potential?

This is where my lack of experience pops in. Someone dropped out last minute and instead of using a list I am working with I panic made this Frankenstein. I am going from garagehammer to LGS and I am noticing some very rookie mistakes on the way. That is ok, I learn fast.

This is actually the first list without Aberrants. I have found them so lackluster against everything with just their 5+++ and now only -2 (also out of 6 or so games have made melee once.) I also only have 18, which is an awkward amount.


I haven't looked at Drills since my first game. I really hate the D1, but want to try them against the Meta. I only have 4 Drills (8 of the other 2.) Again, no idea why there is no a Trap Sprung.
Also, as much as I like the Biophagus that should be a Clamavus+ Trap Sprung? This is not my finest hour.

I keep finding I can't use Lying in wait. Either my opponent screens to Heroic (Custodes) or they just Auspex them (Astartes) knowing they are my RND/engage. Again because I have only been playing 1 person mostly, my ideas are skewed.

I actually expect very little in terms of performance, I am not versed in any of the armies anymore (gaming group on life support so branching out) and so I suspect to get demolished most rounds. That is ok, I will get faster and learn what my models can do. I should do fine on secondaries.

It is unfortunate how bad the Dataslate stealth nerfed GSC. For the first time in a long time I actually see some matchups as pointless.

What isn't burst DPS in the book? (Honest question) Nothing puts out a scary amount of damage. If you are talking about a single 15 Acolyte squad I find they just get Auspexed into nothing, then you are left with another trade down. Same with Aberrants. Smashing a 300 point unit into a AoC kills 2-3 Termies, if no rerolls, and locks you out of TTL, because they just traded up against your 300 meat muscle mob. Danny makes a valid point about Aberrants being all or nothing. 5-10 is almost just giving free kills to the opponent. (They can always telegraph 1 unit.)

I hate this list. Napkin nonsense.

Edit add: It looks like I am up first against a Knight list. 6 Armigers and 7 Moirax. Never played a Knight army so time to do some homework.

I am hoping for 1-5 or a lucky 2-4 but with that list and my lack of format experience I could easily go 0-6. Either way it is punching numbers in and it can only get better.

[kazetanade]

Ref Danny - he has given great advice so far and shared his thoughts. It informs some of my basic gameplay. He does not have the end-all-be-all status he's afforded by that discord,and I'd advocate testing any day even if he disagrees. I championed Abbies before he started using them, I championed clamavus before he started using them - he's not a god or something, and he's definitely looking at things through his WTC lens, and advises on that basis as well.

Ref Abbies - they do not chew into AoC base, but they can chew into it with buffs. With ap-3 buff, you get: 30A, 20H, 18W, 9 failed. Play Impassioned and it is a dead Termie brick, barring DG and DA. They also do not fear most Auspex platforms. They are still not the best choice- so if there's something else usable, go ahead, but this unit is literally my anti-Knight/Surge/nonAoC brick with 5+++, or a trade machine with ap-3, and has yet to fail me terribly. I'd have to somehow be able to leverage Ridgerunners well to consider swapping them out.

Drills are just bad imo, but that an opinion.

Since the list seems locked in, best you can say is try and good luck. Hope you manage a result you can feel satisfied with!

[Hive Bahamut]

I don't think there is a world where that list is good, but I digress. If I took my own advice I would stay closer to home.

Oh no I don't take any persons vebatum to heart but it does reflect what I have been noticing on my table. Am I misplaying the single squad? Maybe, but unless I remove it and see I will never know. I have killed a whopping 3 shield Drones in like 6 games. Mind you getting Tanglefoot out of deepstrike is the norm. (How did that Strat not get hit, but dumb ones did?)

I think my issue is I need more than 10. Too easy to telegraph where they are going. I have 18 but that just feels bad when making lists.

My first game should be ok. I have to fight 13 Baby Knights and even with this crapshoot list I should max RND and Broodswarm. I think they got me to pair first as I am new, and last minute.

At the end of the day.. This is what this thread is for. Helping show my progress through time. It started as intent to build mono through choice, and now it is how it has to be.

There is one list of GSC that is Pauper Princes and is just 6x15 Acolytes with another Patrol for some Neos. It looks wild. I do not have 46 Drills though.

[niiai]

Cult Creed
. Myriad Cult: Accustomed to Turmoil (1), Industrial Affinity (1), Synaptic Resonance (1), War Convoy (1)

The few games I have had with that combo was very strong. I really enjoy the synaptic resonance trait.

[kazetanade]

Its a super underappreciated trait tbh. Its saved my bacon on more than one occasion, and I will always pick Synaptic + Affinity as part of my 1-1-2 trait combo.

On a side point - Hive Bahamut I'm thinking to test 15 Drill unit with exploding 6s. It's a lot riding on 6s but with 18A, it's unlikely to miss ALL the 6s and if you hit averages, I think it may help the unit actually trade up with MWs and a lot more hits. (18A, 18H, 6MW). Thoughts?

[Hive Bahamut]

Ok so round 1 down and I find out on Sunday who my next opponent is. At this point it looks like I am 2nd for losses at 92-62 for my first game, and my next opponent will be Light Harlequins unless something changes. My first opponent set a great tempo getting into the sticky stuff!

My deployment wasn't too stellar and really needs some work. Other than that, apart from some minor hiccups and giving too much ASS up, it went about as expected. My list and inexperience shows in gameplay, but on that note I finished with 3 minutes left on the clock. I was terribly worried about time, and it turns out I am fine. Very happy with the results so far. War Convoy was pointless into Knights, but the Neophyte blob once again was down to solo Banner and ended up saving the last of the ASS. Three games now that blob has done some weird work. 3+ to wound and 5+++ is deceivingly resilient. In fact, that armywide 3+ sped the game up, and reduced damage. 3's,3's 3's 3's that's it. I do like the options in Myriad and will probably dabble with Drills next run. I finally scavenged 2 more Drills for 6.

[Hive Bahamut]

Round 2 down. Harlequins won 81-43 on the Data Intercept mission. For my first toe into the Murder Clowns I was happy with how it went. Making about due with the list I submit, and ended up with a ton of time left this game.

Notes:
I hate Ridgerunners in 3's. Each round so far they have either been popped due to not hiding or one out of range always. Missles not being Industrial sucked in this match too. They did 0 damage in 2 shooting phases. I have never figured this unit out. Might just drop for more Neos again. At least they are obsec, Core and cheaper. I want to love them, but they have never helped me.

Patriarch is a chump. Solitaire and Troupe Master are both a lot cheaper, faster, do more damage, and aren't a liability. I feel embarassed to have been applauding this fool. Pinnacle of Cult, waste of points.

Kelermorph had 1 job and he failed. killing 1 T3 4++ model with 5W is too much to ask. Derp

I think I killed 9 Troupes all game and the Troupe Master and Shadowseer? 4++ with 4-6 freerolls on saves is hilarious. Good thing my army is never worried about killing anything. Ignoring all the -1 (except Purestrains who put in the business) was great, and it would have been even less damage. This army had roughly 2-3 MORE Voidweavers before the Dataslate? Jesus..

Getting my hybrid ass handed to me as expected. Learning the motions and etiquette is still more important for now. I can't expect to go more than 1-5 with that list, but I will fight for every point!


Our HQ's suck. Something hard. I have no idea what to do with any of them, even the Primus is just 80/95 of "I hope this unit is core, not in deepstrike or transports and the opponent doesn't ignore rerolls!"

What a fun army to play. Terrain was mostly just there for aesthetics. I go through, they go over. Hopefully now that I have lost 2 I get to play something a little more GSC speed.

[kazetanade]

Kellermorph is NOT stacked to go into Light Harlies. Best bet to secure that kill is to shoot the S5 pistols, hope for enough MWs, charge, get killed, shoot on death into him again. But in this matchup, I'd have bet on Kelly into the Voids instead.

Neophytes wouldnt perform much better into Light Harlies unless you brought Flamers - the Flamers put in good work into them. Like, who cares if they get 5 free rerolls if you're forcing 25 saves from Flamers, but the vehicles are a bit of a problem that we cant really deal with.

Good luck with your next few games!

[Hive Bahamut]

I really need to pick up the slack. What a bad show on my end. Anyways, onto something more productive. I finally have something I quite like the looks of:



++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [89 PL, 10CP, 1,710pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Cult Creed
. Myriad Cult: Impassioned (3), Industrial Affinity (1)

Detachment Command Cost

+ Stratagems +

Gene-sire's Gifts [-2CP]: 2x Extra Relic

+ No Force Org Slot +

Kelermorph [3 PL, 80pts]: Relic: Wyrmtooth Rounds

Nexos [3 PL, 50pts]: Relic: Cranial Inlay

+ HQ +

Magus [4 PL, 90pts]: Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Psychic Stimulus, Psychic Familiar, Relic: The Crouchling

Primus [5 PL, 95pts]: Inspiring Leader, Proficient Planning: Exacting Planner, Warlord

+ Troops +

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 45pts]
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip

Acolyte Hybrids [4 PL, 65pts]: Proficient Planning: Lying in Wait
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 68pts]
. Acolyte Hybrid
. Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): Hand Flamer
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 68pts]
. Acolyte Hybrid
. Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): Hand Flamer
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 68pts]
. Acolyte Hybrid
. Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): Hand Flamer
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip

Acolyte Hybrids [12 PL, 233pts]: Proficient Planning: A Trap Sprung
. 2x Acolyte Hybrid: 2x Autopistol, 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Cult Claws and Knife, 2x Frag Grenades
. 6x Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): 6x Blasting Charges, 6x Cult Claws and Knife, 6x Frag Grenades, 6x Hand Flamer
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Bonesword, Cult Lash Whip

+ Elites +

Purestrain Genestealers [8 PL, 150pts]: Proficient Planning: They Came From Below
. 10x Purestrain Genestealer: 10x Cult Claws and Talons

Purestrain Genestealers [7 PL, 140pts]
. 10x Purestrain Genestealer: 10x Cult Claws and Talons

Purestrain Genestealers [7 PL, 112pts]
. 8x Purestrain Genestealer: 8x Cult Claws and Talons

+ Fast Attack +

Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 58pts]: 2x Demolition Charge
. 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms

Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 58pts]: 2x Demolition Charge
. 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms

+ Heavy Support +

Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy Seismic Cannon

Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy Seismic Cannon

Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy Seismic Cannon

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [13 PL, -2CP, 290pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Cult Creed
. Myriad Cult: Impassioned (3), Industrial Affinity (1)

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Kelermorph [3 PL, 80pts]

+ HQ +

Magus [4 PL, 80pts]: Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond

+ Troops +

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 65pts]
. 2x Acolyte Hybrid: 2x Autopistol, 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Cult Claws and Knife, 2x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): 2x Demolition Charge
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 65pts]
. 2x Acolyte Hybrid: 2x Autopistol, 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Cult Claws and Knife, 2x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): 2x Demolition Charge
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip

++ Total: [102 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++



This looks like a weird Twisted Helix list, but I feel like with AoC I am ok dropping the Neophytes. Biophagus was so hard to let go of.. I love that dude. Without Abberants is just meh.

So to explain a few things:

1. Acos with Cutters into Grinders. Each (hopefully) pairs up with a Purestrain. Purestrains are the only 10 size because they are the only ones I am confident can make it. Rapid Advance is wonderful.

2. Demo squads go into deepstrike or if opponent right into Grinders as a first/second wave.

3. I want that extra Magus and might as well feel less bad about the Kelermorph duo. 8 Troops of 5 with mostly Cutters makes me happy too.

4. Inspiring might not be right but was welcome to the Neo blobs. Probably change.

5. Big Drill squad for Aelves with Hand Flamers and 1 in each Cutter for Crossfire.

Locking myself into a stupid list has shown how I need to put some work in. This list feels like a useful box of tools, with nothing "fun" or bloat. RIP Biophagus and Patriarch.

[kazetanade]

PGS will bounce off tougher AoC like Terminators:

50A, 2+ to hit 41 hits, 4+ to wound 20 wounds, 4+ save 10D, 3 dead terminators. They most likely do not survive backswing.

It also bounces off tougher T5 models and definitely trades poorly into Nids and Knights

41 hits, 5+ to wound 13 wounds,6+sv (assuming small Knights) 11D dealt

41 hits, 6+ to wound 6.8 wounds, 5+ sv (assuming Nids) 5D dealt

Having 1 unit of PGS is still solid, but for Imp/Affinity, going heavy into them is actually a waste of resources.

Assuming you don't want Neophytes, channel the same resources (18 extra PGS) into another 2-3 Ridgerunners, or some utility like Clamavus (less useful since you don't have a Neophyte anchor, but still good for remove obsec shenanigans), more XX enablers, some Flamers to tech deal with Harlies.

[Hive Bahamut]

The Ridgerunner debate is going on for sure. The thing is they have done nothing every time I've used them. I do believe I need to get another for 2x2 because 1x3 is always a waste. Mind you I still haven't won a game apart from the first one against an unaware opponent.. I do not have enough practice.


This is actually what I enjoyed about the Twisted Helix as one dimensional as they are they don't need to use them.