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Post by kazetanade on Jan 15, 2022 3:57:07 GMT
The gsc discord had a custom bs file to tide people over until official was updated. Its not perfect, but it's got most things there.
Had a few exchanges with No One on TH Metas vs TH Acos - it's not conclusive, cuz Acos have Obaec as a huge brawl consideration and Metas have Fight on Death as a harassment tool. But Metas benefit from TH less than I thought, although they still have a specific niche into T5 and T6. Having maybe 1 unit of this would be sufficient, not 3x5. 3x5 doesn't do enough damage as a harrier unit.
Acos are also interesting - 1x5 with 2 drills doesn't do enough damage to kill a 5 man intercessor. However, 5 man with Bonesword/Laswhip, 1 drill, and Demo Charge can do like 8 damage, which is nearly wipe and an easy wrap. Much better consideration for a harrier/obsec contest unit.
For the 3W targets it's a question: Metas and PGS appropriately buffed could do the job, but are inefficient. Cutter squad would be efficient, but issues with -1 to hit cuts down output a lot. After some back and forth, we kinda settled on Drills in general being better than Cutters for this.
So something like 3x10 PGS, 1x10 Metas, 3x5 Acos with LWBS/Drill/Demo, and 1x10 Acos with Drills. 65 model horde.
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Post by kaervek on Jan 16, 2022 3:29:03 GMT
Looking over the Acolytes in the codex, can a leader even have a bonesword/lashwhip? It says can replace its autopistol for one for the following; and does not look like it can have both? I may be misreading of course.
EDIT: Oof. I literally blanked over the next line. I r dumb.
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Post by kazetanade on Jan 16, 2022 6:02:34 GMT
Replace the autopistol for 1 or either.
Then, replace the claws/knife for 1 or either.
Hence, LWBS.
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Post by niiai on Jan 16, 2022 15:43:03 GMT
It depends. I have had great suckess with filing down the arms of Neophytes and gluing acolytes arms in them. The tall thin look mixes well with the crouched look in a mix. As long as the humans have human colour (mine goes cocatian to more african (sorry if I use the wrong term.) While anybody who is Gen 3 and 4 are white with orange claws/nails.
It depends a bit on load out. In the end of 8th codex you got pinched on handflamer. But I see regular guns also beeing good now.
So in the start collecting sett you probably can get somewhere around 10 Neophytes and 15 acolytes/hyrbids.perhaps more depending on how good you spend the pieces. Both versions of the car is quite good. Abberants seem good as well, although I have not tried them.
The new combat patrol is in fact - great-.
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Jan 16, 2022 20:46:24 GMT
Huh. I just realized something on the way to work. My intent here is to use 30x Purestrains. How do we do that? For the first Codex with rules how do they use them?
Pauper Princes is arguably looking stronger with Bore Through and Drills. Purestrains gain nothing here though unless -1 to hit.
Will revisit later. Jeanstealers.. Levi lists.. Hmm.
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Post by gorsameth on Jan 17, 2022 0:11:08 GMT
Genestealers I would do TH. Str 4 to 5 is big, especially since most of our buffs don't work on Stealers.
1 with Trap Sprung, 1 with Came from Below, 1 in a truck.
Acolyte Squad with drills walking up the table with the "cant shoot outside of 12" for protection. Some Ridgerunners for shooting, probably some bikes to help the RR"s get exposed. Rockgrinders.
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Post by kazetanade on Jan 17, 2022 6:59:05 GMT
I would propose the opposite - PGS with They Came From Below, then two just free run to terrain, assuming there's enough. Keep the Acolyte with A Trap Sprung, they need it the most.
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Jan 23, 2022 8:10:43 GMT
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults - 2022) [107 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Cult Creeds: The Twisted Helix
Detachment Command Cost
+ No Force Org Slot +
Biophagus [3 PL, 55pts]: Alchemist Supreme
Sanctus [4 PL, 80pts]: Cult Sniper Rifle, From Every Angle
+ HQ +
Magus [4 PL, 80pts]: Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Mutagenic Deviation, Power: Psychic Stimulus, Prowling Agitant
Patriarch [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts]: Elixir of the Prime Specimen, Leaders of the Cult, Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Mutagenic Deviation, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Bio-alchemist
Primus [4 PL, 80pts]: Alien Majesty
+ Troops +
Acolyte Hybrids [4 PL, 80pts]: Excavate
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid w/ Hand Flamer: 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Hand Flamer
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Hand Flamer
Acolyte Hybrids [7 PL, 145pts]: A Trap Sprung
. 5x Acolyte Hybrid: 5x Autopistol, 5x Blasting Charges, 5x Cult Claws and Knife, 5x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife
Acolyte Hybrids [6 PL, 130pts]
. 5x Acolyte Hybrid: 5x Autopistol, 5x Blasting Charges, 5x Cult Claws and Knife, 5x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife
Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 60pts]
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid w/ Hand Flamer: 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Hand Flamer
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Hand Flamer
+ Elites +
Aberrants [7 PL, 150pts]: Enhanced Resilience
. 4x Aberrant: 4x Heavy Power Weapon
. Hypermorph: Heavy Power Weapon
Kelermorph [4 PL, -1CP, 80pts]: Gene-Sire's Gifts, Wyrmtooth Rounds
Nexos [3 PL, -1CP, 50pts]: Cranial Inlay, Gene-Sire's Gifts
Purestrain Genestealers [8 PL, 150pts]: 10x Purestrain Genestealer, They Came From Below
Purestrain Genestealers [8 PL, 155pts]: Our Time is Nigh, 10x Purestrain Genestealer
Purestrain Genestealers [7 PL, 140pts]: 10x Purestrain Genestealer
+ Fast Attack +
Atalan Jackals [6 PL, 60pts]
. Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms
. Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms
. Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms
Atalan Jackals [6 PL, 60pts]
. Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms
. Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms
. Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms
+ Heavy Support +
Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 115pts]: Cache of Demolition Charges, Clearance Incinerator
+ Dedicated Transport +
Goliath Truck [5 PL, 95pts]: Cache of Demolition Charges
Goliath Truck [5 PL, 95pts]: Cache of Demolition Charges
++ Total: [107 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++
So now that I have had some time to read the book and take it in a little more I want to see where I go with Genestealers. This list is really just trying to maximize what I feel like I can do with 30 Purestrains. All the infantry can move to the trucks or vise versa. I initially had Neopyhtes in the list but ended up cutting them because I don't feel they really belong in Twisted Helix. Instead I popped in some Aberrants in a cheap and cheerful 5x squad to keep the Vigor Strat to 1CP.
I also decided to drop the Primus upgrades as I expect him and the Nexos to be playing in the corner somewhere alone. I am very curious about that Hand of Aberrance though that is a juicy upgrade with 6 or 7A potential.
Lots to try but I feel this is closing into where we settle for now. I also believe instead of swapping lists all the time this Codex I will swap Cults when I want to try something different.
I think Rusted Claw is the other most interesting pick with the Myriads being a close second. 4 arm looks fun with Mech (2+ Trucks) and I think all will get some attention. Very fun Codex.
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Post by gorsameth on Jan 23, 2022 10:44:26 GMT
Looks nice, to light on shooting for my taste but with TH your basically limited to RR's and Rockgrinders and that gets expensive quickly.
Whats your reasoning for FEA on the Sanctus? To me he seems like the perfect piece to hold your own back objective thanks to being untargetable outside of 12".
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Jan 23, 2022 22:25:56 GMT
I initially had it on some Neophytes but because it automatically hits I feel like this is a potential Turn 1 Exposed model. Just theory for now.
Should be getting a game in soon.
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Post by kazetanade on Jan 24, 2022 13:36:03 GMT
I initially had it on some Neophytes but because it automatically hits I feel like this is a potential Turn 1 Exposed model. Just theory for now. Should be getting a game in soon. It does not. FEA puts you outside their deployment zone - so unless they've already moved out and you're doing super cross angles, you wont score an Exposed marker. The best bet for T1 exposed is a unit of Jackals with either Scout Move into terrain, or TCFB into terrain. If neither are tenable/possible, then you can also try to move them up advanced, Stimulus them to shoot, then spend cp to move them into Exposed position, or spend more cp to Expose something they're within 6" of for everyone else. Sadly, Raking Fire needs natural Exposed, as does our unique progressive. FEA is VERY good for keeping a unit of RRs safe on T1 though, assuming you are not running mass Rock Grinders and cannot saturate damage for them. If you cant make a play with them due to lack of terrain, then a unit of Purestrains with TCFB is great T1 threat since you can move them up fast on T1, or just send them in if you dont go first. Art of War's podcast mentioned Nids + GSC combinations which I think could be ridiculously frightful. Sounds delightful, esp since GSC uses next to no strategems for their melee portion. |
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Post by purestrain on Jan 24, 2022 14:28:07 GMT
Its probably not comp, but I can see a funny picture in my head where a broodlord and a patriarch are running down the field to charge a unit while singing "best friends forever" after using they came from below and getting a swarmy sling  |
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Post by kazetanade on Jan 24, 2022 20:08:15 GMT
I'm seeing the same except for Genestealers instead. 6 man HG backed by 2 heavyweight melee units is seriously no joke.
Actually NGL, Abbys seem to be exceptionally good in Tyranids...? Nah, their 2A is still a problem and they are basically inferior TG in a CS list, and those are just ok to begin with.
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Jan 29, 2022 22:03:32 GMT
So I finally got a game in with the codex. I used a modified version seen below. Initial impressions are very good, as I (would have) scored my first 91 if I had not been lazy and painted the last few additions. 81-39 Priority Target. Primary: 45:45 Secondaries: Broodswarm 12/15 ROD 12/15 Priority Target 12/15 ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults - 2022) [110 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Cult Creeds: The Twisted Helix Detachment Command Cost+ No Force Org Slot +Biophagus [3 PL, 55pts]: Alchemist Supreme Sanctus [3 PL, 70pts]: Cult Sniper Rifle, The Gift from Beyond + HQ +Acolyte Iconward [4 PL, 75pts]: Focus of Adoration Magus [4 PL, 80pts]: Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Mutagenic Deviation, Power: Psychic Stimulus, Prowling Agitant Patriarch [7 PL, -1CP, 140pts]: Elixir of the Prime Specimen, Leaders of the Cult, Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Mutagenic Deviation, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Bio-alchemist + Troops +Acolyte Hybrids [10 PL, 215pts]: A Trap Sprung . 8x Acolyte Hybrid: 8x Autopistol, 8x Blasting Charges, 8x Cult Claws and Knife, 8x Frag Grenades . Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill . Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill . Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill . Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill . Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill . Acolyte Hybrid w/ Industrial Weapon: Heavy Rock Drill . Acolyte Leader: Cult Bonesword, Cult Lash Whip Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 45pts]. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades . Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 45pts]. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades . Acolyte Leader: Cult Claws and Knife, Cult Lash Whip Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 120pts]: Enhanced Resilience . 19x Neophyte Hybrid w/ Shotgun: 19x Autopistol, 19x Blasting Charges, 19x Frag Grenades, 19x Shotgun . Neophyte Leader: Shotgun + Elites +Aberrants [7 PL, 150pts]. 4x Aberrant: 4x Heavy Power Weapon . Hypermorph: Heavy Power Weapon Kelermorph [4 PL, -1CP, 80pts]: Gene-Sire's Gifts, Wyrmtooth Rounds Nexos [3 PL, -1CP, 50pts]: Cranial Inlay, Gene-Sire's Gifts Purestrain Genestealers [8 PL, 150pts]: 10x Purestrain Genestealer, They Came From Below Purestrain Genestealers [8 PL, 155pts]: Our Time is Nigh, 10x Purestrain Genestealer Purestrain Genestealers [7 PL, 140pts]: 10x Purestrain Genestealer + Fast Attack +Atalan Jackals [6 PL, 65pts]. Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms . Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms . Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms . Atalan Leader: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms, Demolition Charge Atalan Jackals [6 PL, 60pts]. Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms . Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms . Atalan Jackal: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms . Atalan Leader: Atalan Power Weapon, Atalan Small Arms + Heavy Support +Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 115pts]: Cache of Demolition Charges, Clearance Incinerator + Dedicated Transport +Goliath Truck [5 PL, 95pts]: Cache of Demolition Charges Goliath Truck [5 PL, 95pts]: Cache of Demolition Charges ++ Total: [110 PL, 9CP, 2,000pts] ++Created with BattleScribeFew notes: Patriarch is a monster. Wyrmtooth rounds and Patriarch picked up like 15 Gravis models. Purestrains are great missiles! The 2 strats to shut off Overwatch etc are amazing. Nexos and Sanctus pop out 2 auto a turn, VERY nice for melee list. Banner was last minute switch and ended up keeping the Neophytes alive until end. They regenerated 1+6+6+5 and ended the game at 3. 5+++ was immensely helpful. Add more later. |
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Post by Hive Bahamut on Apr 4, 2022 10:48:21 GMT
Games have been slow but going to the LGS for my first instore game on Thursday! I am super excited to become more involved in the community. I have only had 3 games with the book, and usually slow play games so winning isn't even on my radar. Going forward, this thread should be more active, and using different Cults less often. The list I plan on using: ++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [96 PL, 10CP, 2,000pts] +++ Configuration +Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) Cult Creed. Myriad Cult: Accustomed to Turmoil (1), Deep Supplies (2), Industrial Affinity (1) Detachment Command Cost+ Stratagems +Gene-sire's Gifts [-2CP]: 2x Extra Relic + No Force Org Slot +Nexos [3 PL, 50pts]: Relic: Cranial Inlay Sanctus [3 PL, 70pts]: Cult Sniper Rifle + HQ +Magus [4 PL, 90pts]: Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Psychic Stimulus, Psychic Familiar, Relic: The Crouchling Patriarch [7 PL, 150pts]: Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Mental Onslaught, Psychic Familiar, Relic: The Unwilling Orb, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Biomorph Adaptation Primus [4 PL, 80pts]+ Troops +Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 45pts]. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades . Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife Acolyte Hybrids [4 PL, 74pts]: Proficient Planning: Lying in Wait . Acolyte Hybrid . 3x Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): 3x Blasting Charges, 3x Cult Claws and Knife, 3x Frag Grenades, 3x Hand Flamer . Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife Acolyte Hybrids [12 PL, 215pts]: Proficient Planning: A Trap Sprung . 8x Acolyte Hybrid: 8x Autopistol, 8x Blasting Charges, 8x Cult Claws and Knife, 8x Frag Grenades . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter . Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Cutter . Acolyte Leader: Cult Bonesword, Lashwhip Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 200pts]. Neophyte Hybrid (Icon): Cult Icon, Cult Shotgun . 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Seismic Cannon . 14x Neophyte Hybrid (Shotgun): 14x Autopistol, 14x Blasting Charges, 14x Cult Shotgun, 14x Frag Grenades . Neophyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Shotgun Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 200pts]. 14x Neophyte Hybrid: 14x Autogun, 14x Autopistol, 14x Blasting Charges, 14x Frag Grenades . Neophyte Hybrid (Icon): Autogun, Cult Icon . 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Mining): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Mining Laser . Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 200pts]. 14x Neophyte Hybrid: 14x Autogun, 14x Autopistol, 14x Blasting Charges, 14x Frag Grenades . Neophyte Hybrid (Icon): Autogun, Cult Icon . 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Mining): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Mining Laser . Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol + Elites +Purestrain Genestealers [8 PL, 150pts]: Proficient Planning: They Came From Below . 10x Purestrain Genestealer: 10x Cult Claws and Talons Purestrain Genestealers [3 PL, 70pts]. 5x Purestrain Genestealer: 5x Cult Claws and Talons Purestrain Genestealers [3 PL, 70pts]. 5x Purestrain Genestealer: 5x Cult Claws and Talons + Fast Attack +Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 53pts]: Demolition Charge . 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges . Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 53pts]: Demolition Charge . 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges . Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms + Heavy Support +Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 115pts]: Cache of Demolition Charges, Heavy Seismic Cannon Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 115pts]: Cache of Demolition Charges, Heavy Seismic Cannon ++ Total: [96 PL, 10CP, 2,000pts] ++Created with BattleScribeNow I have no idea what to expect so I want to build as utilitarian list as possible with IA. I hate the idea of TTL, so the Magus is mostly there (in theory) for a psychic secondary. I have never tried them before. I really like the Primus/Nexos combo. Slingshotting rerolls to 2 other squads (while standing in one) has been useful so far. Although more Seismic Cannons would be preferred I am still interested in making use of Lasers. The Sanctus makes a return after coming to the conclusion the Kelermorph, although more fun, absorbs a relic slot and dies soon after. Turning off Auras is something I totally missed first game. Also, between Nexos/Sanctus Crossfire should never be an issue for the +1BS one target and tagging something "hidden" for fight last on another. Rockgrinders carry the 2 small squads of Purestrains. Still not sure what goes in them, but they have served better than trucks so far. I feel like Purestrains can keep up with the charge, and with 4++ are harder than anything their cost range to kill. The 15 Acolyte squad with Cutters is a first. I usually have in 5 or 10 man squads and only second time with Cutters. Any changes? I have a lot of legwork to do here soon, so might as well tighten the list up as best we can. |
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