Some new 6th rumours, how would they effect us?

[wisdomseyes1]

May 6, 2012 22:48:29 GMT N.I.B. said:

Very little substance in these rumours, as far as rules are concerned. I couldn't care less about the fluff.

But the fluff is like 1/3 of the game (the other thrids being playing and modeling)

I probably would have never picked up tyranids if I didnt know that they were highly psychic fluffwise and consumed everything. I just thought it was cool.

Eldar where actually on the top, but someone in my friend group played them already and I wanted to do something different.

And it is because of chaos fluff that i started daemons. Chaos has, in my opinion, the best fluff.

[N.I.B.]

Yeah, that was kind of a lie. I do care about the fluff, without it there would be zero immersion. I just don't care much about fluff that doesn't involve Tyranids.

[gazick]

the rest of the armies are just biomass waiting to be consumed, i couldn't care less for their fluff

and from what i read, the 6th edition is focusing more on assault, as far as i know at least

[Psychichobo]

If it's any consolation, most of the marine fluff sucks so hard nowadays you wouldn't be missing out on much.

[N.I.B.]

From BoLS:

First up, we have the previous rumors talking about "Lore Equivalents" and the general pattern forming of a lot of WFB 8th concepts making their way into the game. Here's the latest from the Bothans:

-There will be at least 4+ "Disciplines" of Psychic Powers in the game. (WFB has 8 lores)
-Disciplines seem to fall roughly along the lines of the sects described in the novel "A Thousand Sons" as used by the Heresy-Era chapter.
-Each Discipline will have a "Default" power and a set of others that you will roll for each game.
-Number of rolls you get and the the exact details of which powers you end up with are said to be similar to WFB 8th's power selection mechanic.
-Powers have a "Casting Cost" that is different from the mechanic used in WFB 8th.
-Certain 6th Codices will add additional racial specific Disciplines.



Unknowns are things such as how all of this ties into the new Mastery Level (1-4) system we have seen in the Grey Knight book and the rumored Chaos Marine codex. On balance this sounds like a streamlined faster version of the WFB magic phase, transposed into 40k. I would assume that we would have to see Erratas to reclassify all the existing psykers in the game by Mastery Level, as well as the thorny issue of how to deal with the existing in-codex powers.

[Lanesend]

Sssh!
My Tervigons are getting nervous.

[Obsidorox]

If that's true I could see a few things possibly happening

1) we gain access to other spells in whatever discipline we get lumped into
2) we have our own discipline - the lore of om nom nom.
3) most of our psychic abilities become special shooting attacks!!!

[halos]

The problem with that system is that it only really makes sense if every army is an Imperial one, and even then not particularly well; Lores work in FB because everyone is taking their magic from the same source (the winds of magic) which are known to have individual properties resulting in the varied lores.

In 40k sure psychic powers come from the warp (mostly), but not from distinct portions of the warp, just in general. So having a 'discipline' of fire attacks doesn't really make sense, even if the disciplines are broader (ie Offensive/Defensive etc.) then it still doesn't mean a Human and an Eldar would use them in the same way, and certainly not the even more alien races.

The only way I really see that working is for each rave to get their own 'disciplines' which rather defeats the point. Or you make all psykers have generic powers per discipline as is suggested which makes them much less interesting.

[milkybarnid]

I can't say i like most of the rumours that have been mentioned, random psychic powers? no thanks ill choose my own thank you very much. that will push down our already uphill struggle against the other codices, i want my tyrant to have Paroxysm and leech, not horror and scream.

% in 40k? cant say im too sure, if GW are willing to reduce the points cost of our gaunts fine, i base this on the VC book from fantasy where a squad of 20 zombies was 80 points. if i honest i prefer the FOC, its just easier to deal with, i dont want to be spending my time working out percentages, also how will this effect our apolcalypse games where the super heavies will take up most of our points.

I dont care about the fluff but that kind of makes Tau the main race, which are Xenos who the imperium dislikes just a tad. why would the golden dude make xenos the saviour of the imperium? i dont think so. this is just my opinion but that just sounds like a way to sell the army more, also GW have put a lot of effort into making the imperium anti xenos, why make a U turn all of a sudden. the Tau are going to become the main race to defeat chaos but the necrons could possibly do so as well, (though they probs wont, i havent read thier fluff yet) with their tesserect cubes things.

sorry if im having a rant, i really dont want to see those changes i think the game would be affected badly. However if push comes to shove we can just continue to use the 5th edition rules

[N.I.B.]

A small update from Faeit 212, nothing really tangible but still:

6th Edition Rules
I am getting excited for the new ruleset. I know it will include a ton of new rules for us to digest, figure out the ramifications for, and just get used to them. Change is always hard.

Nothing in the new rules so far has really been earthshaking. I say this knowing more than I can say, and the complete picture of how things are going to turn out will be different and hard for some to take. There is a lot of new things people will like..... (I know of one minor nerf for Grey Knights), and it looks like assault ranges are going to be longer.

I expect 6th edition to be a much faster paced game. Meaning that you can get where you need to go faster, and bring weapons to bear to tear into the enemy round after round.

Will shooting dominate 6th edition? I don't know to be honest. I think close combat will be more visceral and from what we have seen already, shooting will be strong. I don't think anything on the table will last as long as it once did. Vehicles will go down a little easier, assaults will be able to pulled off quicker, and shooting will be devastating.

[nekronuke]

Seeing all of the changes to Psykers, i have a few things to say. and by that i mean one. Gaunt spam. Template pinning all of the things. Then PoM face rape. See, psykers don't err... psyk very well with writhing rippers mauling their way out of your torso

[Davor]

Thanks Nib, haven't been lurking much on other forums so never seen this, thanks for posting.

I did see something about random psychic powers, not sure what that means.

[N.I.B.]

-Psychic Powers are random.
Simple dice roll determines which powers you will get out of your codex

-Psychic powers are selected during deployment. (except Grey Knights)

-There will be at least 4+ "Disciplines" of Psychic Powers in the game. (WFB has 8 lores)

-Disciplines seem to fall roughly along the lines of the sects described in the novel "A Thousand Sons" as used by the Heresy-Era chapter.

-Each Discipline will have a "Default" power and a set of others that you will roll for each game.

-Number of rolls you get and the the exact details of which powers you end up with are said to be similar to WFB 8th's power selection mechanic.

-Powers have a "Casting Cost" that is different from the mechanic used in WFB 8th.

-Certain 6th Codices will add additional racial specific Disciplines.

[Bot]

If that happens, I would throw the rulebook right back at GW. I want to know for sure what Psychic Powers I use in the game and that I can use the right Psychic Powers at the right time.

[Illithid]

Yeah, I am not sure if I like the sound of that. What I like right now is the diversity of the powers and that then comes down to luck and not strategy.

I wonder why they are bringing so many fantasy concepts in (if it is true). Many of the rumours just seem to be borrowed ideas from past editions or from a few other game systems.