Kaze's Theorycrafting Station [Nids Gorgon Gaunts]

[Jbizzy]

I wish shockguard could finally be a thing. Assault 3 or points drop would help, but meh.

Hope the Trygon test works, big snakes really need to get on the battle field.

[bigpig]

I’ve played some games with this list.


WARLORD: Neurothrope
TRAITS: Synaptic Tendrils
PSYCHIC POWERS: Paroxysm, Onslaught
Tervigon Adrenal glands
TRAITS: Direct Guidance
PSYCHIC POWERS: Catalyst
RELICS: The Maw-claws of Thyrax
STRATAGEMS: Hive Predator
Tyranid Prime Venom cannon
Garrgoyles
11x Gargoyle
Hormagaunts
29x Hormagaunt
Hormagaunts
15x Hormagaunt
Termagants
30x Termagant
Termagants
30x Termagant
Termagants
25x Termagant
Maleceptor
PSYCHIC POWERS: Neuroparasite, Psychic Scream
Pyrovores
Venomthropes
3x Venomthrope
Zoanthropes
3x Zoanthrope
PSYCHIC POWERS: Neuroparasite
Parasite of Mortex
TRAITS: Alien Cunning
RELICS: Gestation Sac
STRATAGEMS: Hive Predator, Rarefied Enhancements
STRATAGEMS
Hive Predator (1CP)
Hive Predator (1CP)
Rarefied Enhancements (1CP)
Total Command Points: 6/15
Reinforcement Points: 0
Total Points: 2000/2000


I have a link to a short thread for some of the games here. thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/59564/gorgon-horde-update-chaos-knights

[kazetanade]

bigpig your CK game is exactly why I maintained Harpies and consider Shockguard and Trygons.

Latest tourney in my FLGS (I did not attend) had more than 30 vehicles in it, at least 3 Knight armies. Gorgon is... hard pressed to deal with this skew when trying to maximize the traits.

On a side though. Adrenal + TS allows me to take on Knights with Gaunts, since 5+ exploding with hits on 3s actually forces a *lot* of saves. Earlier in my thread I do the numbers for the Horms, and they can eat Knights alive.

I just feel its a bit sad we can't overskew on Horms, since they need SL to function like a beast.

[kazetanade]

Last run with my GSC before putting it down for the foreseeable future; im so far at 100% losses for practice games and 84% win rate in tournaments (5/6 wins and counting).

Truth be told I was sold off gsc already until the change in cp and changes on broodswarm. Broodswarm encourages the alphastrike playstyle I do best with playing gsc, and Ambush is a mid-score secondary that we can at least secure 7-8 on. With big changes coming to Necrons and CWE, I felt confident enough in the CWE/Harleys matchup, and relative confidence in the Necron matchup, that I wanted to tech for Nids and CK/IK primarily. The byproduct of these armies is to hopefully curtail Imperial AOC, and the elite and melee focus of Chaos AOC (+ invuls) I felt there was unlikely I couldn't handle them with ap-3 Abbies and Heavy Mining Weapons. Drills are switchable with Cutters, but the Biophagus let's me test this 18A exploding 6s, and at 18A it's a lot more likely that I'll roll at least 1x6; thereby increasing my consistency for Drills to get results closer to Cutter counterparts and hurt the matchups where Cutters are less ideal(whereas Cutters either overkill or are inefficient due to 2W or 1W only).

Quick maths:

18A, hitting 2+, 15H, count 1 explodes for 16H and 2 MW

16H, 16Sv, 4++ into 8, with 2MW for 10D (but expecting 9 with 6MW).

18A, 16H, wounding on 4+, 8W, 4++ into 4, for 12D (but expecting 15D)

With no invul involved, we expect enough damage to kill a Knight or nearly. We expect to kill 5 BGVs, a 10 man Harlies squad, and a Flyrant (not the best target though).

There are some clear losing targets. We clearly lose on tackling Terminators (no Transhuman, lower saves, more gets through) and Sang Guard (10 guys 2+ 2W, 18A 18H 15W 10F 10 die, vs 18D 9 die). We clearly lose on IK Dogs (due to pts difference and lack of invul, since a 10 man can KO a normal Knight). I think it gets equal on CK dogs (1cp -1D; 12A 10H 7W 14D). But the CK Hepatrix Trait for 4W throws this off, and Elves matchup will be glad for 1D weaponry and MW in general, even if the trade is downwards at least it is a kill secured.

By no means is it conclusively better than Cutters but I think they stand to gain more than Cutters, and we stand to gain more pushing dmg than survival now that TTL is not an option anymore.

Without further ado:



++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Tyranids - Genestealer Cults) [97 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Cult Creed
. Myriad Cult: Impassioned (3), Industrial Affinity (1)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: 4. Chapter Approved: War Zone Nephilim

+ Stratagems +

Relic [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Kelermorph [4 PL, 95pts]: Proficient Planning: A Perfect Ambush, Relic: Wyrmtooth Rounds

Nexos [3 PL, 50pts]

Sanctus [3 PL, 70pts]: Cult Sniper Rifle

+ HQ +

Acolyte Iconward [4 PL, 75pts]

Magus [5 PL, 105pts]: Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Psychic Stimulus, Proficient Planning: Meditations in Shadow, Psychic Familiar, Warlord

Primus [4 PL, 80pts]

+ Troops +

Acolyte Hybrids [12 PL, 224pts]: Proficient Planning: A Trap Sprung
. 5x Acolyte Hybrid: 5x Autopistol, 5x Blasting Charges, 5x Cult Claws and Knife, 5x Frag Grenades
. 3x Acolyte Hybrid (Hand Flamer): 3x Blasting Charges, 3x Cult Claws and Knife, 3x Frag Grenades, 3x Hand Flamer
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): Heavy Rock Drill
. Acolyte Leader: Cult Bonesword, Cult Lash Whip
. Genomic Enhancement (Alchemist Supreme): Enhanced Musculature

Acolyte Hybrids [4 PL, 75pts]: Proficient Planning: Lying in Wait
. 3x Acolyte Hybrid: 3x Autopistol, 3x Blasting Charges, 3x Cult Claws and Knife, 3x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Hybrid (Heavy Weapon): 2x Demolition Charge
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 45pts]
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife

Acolyte Hybrids [3 PL, 45pts]
. 4x Acolyte Hybrid: 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Cult Claws and Knife, 4x Frag Grenades
. Acolyte Leader: Autopistol, Cult Claws and Knife

Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 200pts]
. 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Flamer): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Flamer, 4x Frag Grenades
. 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Seismic Cannon
. 11x Neophyte Hybrid (Shotgun): 11x Autopistol, 11x Blasting Charges, 11x Cult Shotgun, 11x Frag Grenades
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

Neophyte Hybrids [8 PL, 220pts]
. 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Flamer): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Flamer, 4x Frag Grenades
. Neophyte Hybrid (Icon): Autogun, Cult Icon
. 4x Neophyte Hybrid (Seismic): 4x Autopistol, 4x Blasting Charges, 4x Frag Grenades, 4x Seismic Cannon
. 10x Neophyte Hybrid (Shotgun): 10x Autopistol, 10x Blasting Charges, 10x Cult Shotgun, 10x Frag Grenades
. Neophyte Leader: Autogun, Autopistol

+ Elites +

Aberrants [7 PL, 150pts]
. 4x Aberrant: 4x Heavy Power Weapon
. Aberrant Hypermorph: Heavy Power Weapon

Biophagus [3 PL, 65pts]: Alchemicus Familiar, Proficient Planning: Alchemist Supreme

Hybrid Metamorphs [3 PL, 66pts]
. 2x Hybrid Metamorph (Autopistol): 2x Autopistol, 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Frag Grenades, 2x Metamorph Mutations
. 2x Hybrid Metamorph (Hand Flamer): 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Frag Grenades, 2x Hand Flamer, 2x Metamorph Mutations
. Metamorph Leader: Autopistol, Metamorph Mutations

Hybrid Metamorphs [3 PL, 69pts]
. 2x Hybrid Metamorph (Autopistol): 2x Autopistol, 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Frag Grenades, 2x Metamorph Mutations
. 2x Hybrid Metamorph (Hand Flamer): 2x Blasting Charges, 2x Frag Grenades, 2x Hand Flamer, 2x Metamorph Mutations
. Metamorph Leader: Hand Flamer, Metamorph Mutations

Purestrain Genestealers [8 PL, 150pts]: Proficient Planning: They Came From Below
. 10x Purestrain Genestealer: 10x Cult Claws and Talons

+ Fast Attack +

Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 53pts]: Demolition Charge
. 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms

Atalan Jackals [3 PL, 53pts]: Demolition Charge
. 3x Atalan Jackal (Small Arms): 3x Atalan Small Arms, 3x Blasting Charges
. Atalan Leader: Atalan Small Arms

+ Heavy Support +

Goliath Rockgrinder [6 PL, 110pts]: Heavy Seismic Cannon

++ Total: [97 PL, 5CP, 2,000pts] ++

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[No One]

Haven't really done anything with GSC for ages to comment on macro (or really on micro either...), but the flamers on the metas seems off, especially with a demo LiW squad. What's the gameplan there?

[kazetanade]

Flamers on Meta are for lining up Exposed on T2/T3 - one of my consistent problems with lists is a lack of XX, as too many units want to be set up, not enough to set them up. They can then charge into some units thereafter to try and sneak a kill, or just score broodswarm in general. In fact if the Abbies prove to be in poor taste, them and the Grinder turn into 3 RRs, and they set up XX for that.

The LiW Demo charge is a character or Obsec assassin, or picking people off from tough awkward angles like when hiding really close behind ruins to get XX with the Kellermorph. Alone they both fall short, but together they tend to secure or almost secure their kills in my experience. The problem arises when they are also needed for other peoples XX.