Some new 6th rumours, how would they effect us?

[webebuggin]

^^ well hey, there was a rumor of more nid models this year...and look what happened lol. Rumors are not ridiculous, they are just rumors. Some are true, most are not.

[bigpig]

Apr 30, 2012 8:15:28 GMT hornywingythingy said:

Apr 30, 2012 2:36:20 GMT bigpig said:

This is why I quit 8th edition fantasy. It went too far into being a game of wild luck swings.

No, it went from being a game where everyone took 4 dispell scrolls to effectively null their opponents magic phase, to something that was fittingly erratic, but still powerful. 7th Ed magic was broken, 8th (especially the 8th books) is a far less broken affair, as more army books come out, more and more the quality of 8th shines.

No, it went from being a game of strategy where luck was a factor to a game of erratic power swings where the entire game is consistently won or lost by a single die roll. Yes, all of these GW games have a luck of element and, no, I don't want a system totally devoid of chaos. I just don't want it to be so, as you put it, erratic. I enjoy competitive play and losing a well played game so easily to an erratic system is not enjoyable. It may enhance narrative play, but thats not my cup of tea.

I will agree that 7th edition magic had issues that needed correcting. You either went big on magic or you didn't go at all, choosing instead to play defensively. There were other things that could have been done including some of the elements they incorporated. They just went too far for my tastes.

Opinions differ. Mine is that it has become too "fittingly erratic" for enjoyable play and I don't wish element that upon the 40k game system.

[N.I.B.]

Percentages instead of FOC slots sounds more likely, but I'm not sure if I like it. At 2000 points, with 25% HQ/Elite/Heavy, as a Tyranid player I wouldn't be able to field any deathstar, nor 3 Trygons or 3 Dakkafexes, all builds I really like and use in tournaments.

voracious wouldn't be able to field 3x10 Ymgarls or 2x10 + 3 Venomthropes, on top of his Swarmlordstar becoming illegal (assuming 25% HQ).

Heck, you wouldn't be able to field 2 Tyrannofexes at 2000 points.

25% slots would restrict the viable Nid builds to a silly level.

[hornywingythingy]

You might see 25%+ troops, and up to 50% of each of HQ, fast and heavy, so long as the total adds up to 100%, I could see a restriction of no more than two or three of the same kind of non troops units, same as fantasy. But that limit increases with the points limits (doubles at three k in fantasy)

@ bigpig, I'm sorry that's been your Experience of fantasy, I have found with the introduction of being able to measure at any point too that most of the randomness has been taken out of the game. I enjoy 8th much more than I did 7th, and I really enjoyed 7th.

@ everyone, consider that these are just rumours, not nesecarily from a very reliable source, and the last week or two has seen a lot of BS rumours doing the rounds, like the chaos mechanical dragon, and the 1,2 or three codexes for release this year, which could be da, csm, tau or even eldar.

But I hope something changes with 6th, as many people don't seem to be enjoying it atm.

[ikken]

I don't know if anyone noticed but the part of the original article where the magic change is suppose to come from was about the new 6th edition chaos book not 6th edition BRB .
i can see chaos having to randomly generate psychic powers , as this would tie into the whole chaos thing . but it probably won't be for every army

the % vs FOC rumor has been around for a long time , i think it would be great to loose the FOC as it would open the game up to many different army builds .

[Koyori]

From the rumor about % usage instead of FOC, the rumor has it that HQ is 25% maximum, Heavy is 25% maximum, and troops is 50% MINIMUM. Think I heard some rumor about Elites being 35% (firedragon spam anyone?). Anyway regardless if any rumor is true or not, what I would like to know is WHEN, I have heard a ton of rumors about whats in it but nothing about when we are to get 6th edition, or even the new chaos/da/tau/S&M/whatever dex that is next.

[N.I.B.]

HQ and Heavy at 25% would destroy a lot of good Tyranid builds. That sounds crazy.

6th ed is supposedly released in June, according to the last 6 months of rumours.

[kurbutti]

Indeed it does. If anything, point costs should be rebalanced to match those limitations.

[Koyori]

Now I take all rumors with alot of salt, but the only rumor I think I put some credit to is the one that says: "throw away all your codexes because 6th will invalidate ALL of em". Also alot of rumors indicate 40k will become more like fantasy something I find stupid, after all if I wanted to play fantasy I would play fantasy, I play 40k because it is not fantasy. the systems should be different so you can chose which ever suits your taste.

[Davor]

Well now that we are in May, if 6th was coming out in June it would be announced this weekend or last weekend. So if no announcement this weekend, being the first Saturday of the Month and that is when the new WD comes out, I don't see June as a new release.

[malebranche]

I hope the percentage thing is generous. What Koyori said sounds fine for my lists, but if I cant spam fast attack I will be sad...

[DarkGuard]

May 1, 2012 22:31:28 GMT Davor said:

Well now that we are in May, if 6th was coming out in June it would be announced this weekend or last weekend. So if no announcement this weekend, being the first Saturday of the Month and that is when the new WD comes out, I don't see June as a new release.

Games Workshop only announce new releases a week before they come out now. So we still have some time.

[grarik]

They may officially announce it a week beforehand, but for something as massive as a new edition I'm sure that the latest white dwarf wouldve had some hints in it.

[Psychichobo]

May 1, 2012 18:55:43 GMT N.I.B. said:

HQ and Heavy at 25% would destroy a lot of good Tyranid builds. That sounds crazy.

6th ed is supposedly released in June, according to the last 6 months of rumours.

Eh, the Nid codex is so poorly priced points wise that it'd probably be the only army that wouldn't fit to the percentages rules. However, Fantasy 8th ed also tampered with core rules to remove particular advantages for certain armies (loss of concentration stopping the old Vampire Count Book's spell spamming, and making you choose between a regeneration save and a ward save to stop Plaguebearers being so damn unkillable, to name a few).

So it's possible that the way the rules work out, the percentage setup wouldn't mess up Nids due to other factors, like easier to kill vehicles, harder to kill infantry, etc.

[hornywingythingy]

May 1, 2012 20:34:10 GMT Koyori said:

Now I take all rumors with alot of salt, but the only rumor I think I put some credit to is the one that says: "throw away all your codexes because 6th will invalidate ALL of em". Also alot of rumors indicate 40k will become more like fantasy something I find stupid, after all if I wanted to play fantasy I would play fantasy, I play 40k because it is not fantasy. the systems should be different so you can chose which ever suits your taste.

So you see them doing a ravening hordes to 40k? Interesting, it would be deeply unpopular though. *Smiles as imagines the de and gk players faced with new get you by army lists*

Never gonna happen though, gw would piss too many players off. I can see 6+ pages of erratas for each army like in fantasy though.