Who Will Rule The Universe?

[shadowdragonswarm]

Don't the Necrons/C'tan have something that destroys warp space?
I know they're setting up the things so that they'll atleast prevent it from growing, im sure if thats all it can do, then they'll keep campaining on the fringes of the eye and shrink it bit by bit.

[LictorsRule!]

The C'tan are more trying to close off the warp than destroy it.
I haven't heard anything about them trying to destroy it but maybe you have.

[hyphen]

What happens when the Nids eat the Emporer and a C'tan or two? I bet they would be a big problem for chaos then.

[Trygon]

The nids are after their creator. The guy in the dyson sphere. Thats were they are going. To ether release it or eat it. The star god that created the Tyranid race. Possibly as bio-weaponary.

[Biotitan]

this is abit old but i read some interesting fluff about the nids on a BFG site (can't find it again) but it said that nids travel in space by making a sort of "wave" in the warp and "surfing" it this wave even effect then in the material universe and they are just such powerful psycer that they can create a warp portal or similar to get into the warp
it also said that tyranids "teleport" part of planets they consume into the warp (even shirking the planet itself by a decent amount)
maybe transporting it to the "home" fleet or similar, this would explain where the atmosphere and oceans go.
it doesn't offer any theory on why they aren't effected my demons other than in the codex (either the are soulless, or just that powerful psykers


@terrible_Trygon the tyranids are avoiding the dyson sphere, not going after it

[hivemaster07]

has any one seen this uk.games-workshop.com/tyranids/tyranoforming-worlds/1/

[TheSwarm]

Nice find hivemaster07.

TheSwarm

[shadowdragonswarm]

Yup, seen it, it's fairly old, but still doesn't explain where a lot of the mass goes, but it is cool to read nontheless.

And yup, the 'nids avoided that sphere, how'd you come up with them being created by the C'tan and such?

[TheSwarm]

I also heard somthing about them possibly being created by a C'tan. I only heard it from a Games-Workshop employee though, so i dont know where any of the reading is.

TheSwarm

[shadowdragonswarm]

So then they're are C'tan in other galaxies?

Which one created them?
Thats kinda wierd, as I haven't heard anything about it(not to say it isn't possible, I don't go cruising around all day for 40k fluff).

I didn't think the C'tan created life, just the old ones.........that'd be wierd if true.

[Constantin Valdor]

I don't see why they wouldn't... but then again i don't see why they would....

If the 'nids came from another galaxy, why not the C'tan? I said this before but, if the warp is present all over the universe, and not just in this galaxy, there's no reason why the C'tan wouldn't be there as well.

[hyphen]

I find it unlikely that the Outsider had a hand in creating the Tyranid race for two reasons. First- as already mentioned- the Nids come from outside the Milky Way galaxy. This obviously disqualifies anything within this galaxy as being their creator. Second, the Nids are very strong Psykers. Almost every Tyranid uses the Immaterium in some manner. According to current fluff C'tan and the warp just don't mix well.
There could be C'tan in other galaxies (a slight stretch of the imagination), and they might even like the warp (a much larger stretch), but there is a more important question to ask. Why would a creature like the C'tan send something like a hive fleet to another galaxy to eat biological material? Seems a bit out of character for a C'tan. Doesn’t really accomplish any of the things they are traditionally known to desire. We could "what if" this into working eventually, but you can do that with anything in 40k. I don't think the fluff supports the whole Tyranid C'tan link.

[Constantin Valdor]

Agreed. Also the whole Evolution thing defies the idea of intelligent design (the C'tan being the Intelligent design).
The whole thing about the 'nids is that whilst everything else has a purpose and a design, they have no meaning, and are entirely created from a survival of the fittest approach. Even Chaos, which defies logic has a purpose and a design, albeit a twisted one.

[romorini]

Fun fact: in every singal discussion I've had about this, it always comes down to the Necrons and the Tyranids. The other races only come into play in relation to how they can effect these two races.

Let's do some underdog rooting:

Anti-Necron

I saw a convincing argument that the Orks could be a bigger threat to Necrons than Nids, as they'd have incentive for investigating the tomb worlds (they want the 'glowy shootas' and 'betta choppas') and have the same advantages as the Nids do. If they swarm a tomb and start breaking stuff, imagine what they'd come out with! That would be the most entertaining Waaagh! ever.

The Eldar warp weapons would be a more sure-fire solution, but they can't afford an assault on an awakened tomb world. If they happen upon a tomb world at the early stages, they could do serious, considerable, and permant damage. They are a bit distracted with the whole survival bit to really track down such things.

I see the Tau technology eventually allowing them to permenantly destroy the Necron forces they encounter, whether they do so before there is a major collapse of the Empire is another question. That, and the technology better be widespread by the time the C'tan decide to retaliate.

Chaos: The C'tan fear the warp, they live in the warp and its energies pervade them, should be a no-brainer. But Chaos has a numbers and recruitment problem. They're also not too organized. (and stupid, but I'm terribly biased against chaos)

Anti-Tyranid

Strangely, I believe that the Imperium is the Galaxy's best bet at fighting off the Tyranids (Tau are more adept, but too easily overwhelmed). If they so desired, they could out-attrition a hivefleet, they've done so with the earlier waves, and if they felt forced to, they could make the cost to a Hivefleet for each living planet so high that there would be almost no net gain.

Don't forget that Mankind already harvests resources sustainably from the majority of the inhabitable planets. The Tyranids need to fight for every scrap of food they get, we've already got all that we need. If they can't establish a considerable foothold, or keep geting hit in space, the Tyranids will not suceed.

[n00b1n8R]

yes, but the imperium's a bunch of lazy ass beurocrats more interested in killing percieved heritics and lobotomizing people to make cyborg freaks out of than stoping some all powerfull race kicking their ass.

but theirs no way the imperium can defeat multiple hive fleets, attacking from different areas of space at once (remember how thin the IG became outside the cadian sector in eye of terror? and that was only 1 sector they where defending)
n00b out