Who Will Rule The Universe?

[ZergLord]

romorini said:

I saw a convincing argument that the Orks could be a bigger threat to Necrons than Nids, as they'd have incentive for investigating the tomb worlds (they want the 'glowy shootas' and 'betta choppas') and have the same advantages as the Nids do. If they swarm a tomb and start breaking stuff, imagine what they'd come out with! That would be the most entertaining Waaagh! ever.

That's a nice idea for a campaign.

Waaaiiiiiiitt....... You're all saying that the Nids are created by the C'tan?!?!?!?

[romorini]

It's a theory that keeps cropping up. I think it comes from some passage in the Necron Codex about the C'tan 'Outsider'. There's a similar theory about Tyranids being a galatic 'reset button' from the Old Ones. There's a good thread or two buried deep in the general section (the top one) about origin theories. When the new site comes up they should be synthesized into editorials, I might just dig them up when I'm back to my college broadband connection.

[Constantin Valdor]

IMO the Imperium might have stood a chance before the Horus Heresy, when it was still developing technology. If they'd ever got round to making Tactical dreadnought suits for every marine they might be a whole lot better off for example. However if you don't make technological advances then you cannot hope to stay powerful, no matter how much of a head start you had. Look at the Tau, they're nearly at the level of the Eldar already, give them a couple more centuries they'll be there. The only risk i see to the Tau is if they suffer a 'fall' from chaos corruption, like the Imperials and the Eldar before them. As they seem to let pretty much any old raffle in, maybe that will happen.

The way i see it though is the universe is in a fine balance. The Imperium could probably obliterate any faction, but that would leave them open to many of the other factions, and so they have to spread their forces. However I reckon GW have screwed it up by making the Tyranids appear so powerful in the New codex, it kinda shows no hope for anything, even if the Imperials 'win' every battle they will lose eventually.

Noobs

[n00b1n8R]

tau can't be influenced by chaos (unless they are actual deamons in the material universe). heck, the tau even think they killed slannishi (yes. it's official fluff...)

who would i like to see win?
the tau.

who will realistically win?
nids

yes. the galaxy is royally screwed (of course i plan to be long dead before the end of the 41st millennium
n00b out

[mumbo12]

Ugh, I can't stand the Tau. They claim that those who join them are equals but I can't help but think they view the races that join up as nothing but shots they didn't have to fire. I think the Tau will collapse from outbreaks of individualism. Like what happened with O'Shova but happening everywhere. That seems to happen when there are no Ethereals around.(mind control anyone?)

[ryshi]

mumbo12 said:

Ugh, I can't stand the Tau. They claim that those who join them are equals but I can't help but think they view the races that join up as nothing but shots they didn't have to fire. I think the Tau will collapse from outbreaks of individualism. Like what happened with O'Shova but happening everywhere. That seems to happen when there are no Ethereals around.(mind control anyone?)

Classic roman empire scenario? Empire becomes too big to control.

[LictorsRule!]

That could be a very big issue for Tau if they actually grow into a decent size. It's so hard for the imperium to stay in control of what they already own because they are quite large. I can't see Tau doing, but maybe they can.

[carnogaunt]

Doubtful unless they come up with full Warp engine technology.

[mumbo12]

Doubtful, without any psykers they can't shield their craft from demons. They would be able to manifest anywhere in the ship. Current Tau technology only allows them to "skip" across the boundary of the Warp and real space like a stone across water.

I don't think the Tau will ever make Warp drives. I read their final report from Medusa V and what they discovered really freaked them out.

[n00b1n8R]

lol.

got a link?

the tau are ignorant to the warp and daemons (i'm still laughing over that slannishi thing..).

however, it is possible to go faster than light without the use of the warp. necron ships do it (mainly because the c'tan don't like the warp). i think they disconnect themselves from inertia allowing them to accelerate infinitely fast in an infinitely small amount of time. aka, faster than light.

the tau will find that technology eventually (weather it's before their wiped out is up for debate), but the point is, they can do it.
n00b out

[Constantin Valdor]

As there is actually no resistance in space, so long as tau find a way of permanently thrusting their ships, they'll keep getting faster till they hit the speed of light. however it still takes a long time for light to travel that far so

[n00b1n8R]

this is quoted from wikipedia on how necrons travel faster than light:

"Necron mastery of physical technology is beyond anything the galaxy has ever seen, surpassing even that of the highly advanced Eldar. Their ships are stunningly fast and agile, equipped with propulsion systems which are capable of traveling interstellar distances without entering the Warp. This is achieved, as far as is known, by somehow making their ships unbound by inertia, allowing them to accelerate almost instantly and infinitely, which explains why Necron ships are often seen to be visibly decelerating upon reaching the site of battle. This also protects them from many of the practical problems and dangers of warp travel."

i figure that the tau will eventually develop this and when they do, it is quite feasible that they would be able to control a galaxy spanning empire.

but i still say nids will win
n00b out

[Constantin Valdor]

Show off

tbh Does anyone know why the Tau wont use some sort of Webway system like the Eldar use. Only Humans and Orks are thick enough to actually travel in the warp. Maybe the Eldar will even teach them and help them, rather than be wiped out for good.

[TheSwarm]

That all depends on their pride. Im thinking the eldar would rather die than be equal to Kroot.

TheSwarm

[n00b1n8R]

good point.
the reason i think they would is because i think they like to model themselves after the old ones (who nurtured young races such as the eldar) so they may do it.

the reason i think they wouldn't is because their a bunch of arogent gits.

i guess it all depends if their willing to accept that they will become extinct and if they want their tech to die with them.
n00b out