Caledonian Uprising, nids/kult #2

[No One]

mule said:

Not sure if you've been using this but telepathing summoning lets you summon a unit in so we get around auspex and deep strike denial that way, if we summon in a sanctus with the relic he can't get auspexed so that sets up the rest of your charges on a unit like cents or something. It also doesn't matter about the deepstrike denial because they all say "from reserves" and this isn't coming from reserves. So you can summon in some acolytes you roll 3d6 a full unit of 20 acolytes are 11 power level, and 15 is just 9 powerlevel, so you just have to meet or beat it. So even bringing in something threatening is nice. Then you can obviously deepstrike the characters behind it without auspex to go off because they can't target since the other unit is closer.

No, that's not how it works. On so many levels.
A: You can't take relic with summoning.
B: You can't PA after summoning (and you also don't get traits), so good luck making 9" charges.
C: Nothing says 'from reserves', that is not a rule and hasn't been for the entire edition (edit: technically it is, just only in narrative missions). It's just a short hand for setting something up outside 9". Guess what telepathic summoning does?

Telepathic Summoning said:

That unit
is immediately set up on the battlefield anywhere that is
more than 9" from any enemy models.

That's right, it adds a unit to your army and sets it up outside 9". What does auspex trigger off?

Auspex said:

Use this Stratagem after your opponent sets up a unit on the
battlefield within 12" of any ADEPTUS ASTARTES INFANTRY
units from your army.

Something setting up within 12". It triggers off da jump, I really don't know why you thought that summoning would get around it.
D: It's psychic phase, you're never going to then be able to drop anything behind it.

[mule]

Jan 22, 2020 6:53:49 GMT No One said:

mule said:

Not sure if you've been using this but telepathing summoning lets you summon a unit in so we get around auspex and deep strike denial that way, if we summon in a sanctus with the relic he can't get auspexed so that sets up the rest of your charges on a unit like cents or something. It also doesn't matter about the deepstrike denial because they all say "from reserves" and this isn't coming from reserves. So you can summon in some acolytes you roll 3d6 a full unit of 20 acolytes are 11 power level, and 15 is just 9 powerlevel, so you just have to meet or beat it. So even bringing in something threatening is nice. Then you can obviously deepstrike the characters behind it without auspex to go off because they can't target since the other unit is closer.

No, that's not how it works. On so many levels.
A: You can't take relic with summoning.
B: You can't PA after summoning (and you also don't get traits), so good luck making 9" charges.
C: Nothing says 'from reserves', that is not a rule and hasn't been for the entire edition (edit: technically it is, just only in narrative missions). It's just a short hand for setting something up outside 9". Guess what telepathic summoning does?

Telepathic Summoning said:

That unit
is immediately set up on the battlefield anywhere that is
more than 9" from any enemy models.

That's right, it adds a unit to your army and sets it up outside 9". What does auspex trigger off?

Auspex said:

Use this Stratagem after your opponent sets up a unit on the
battlefield within 12" of any ADEPTUS ASTARTES INFANTRY
units from your army.

Something setting up within 12". It triggers off da jump, I really don't know why you thought that summoning would get around it.
D: It's psychic phase, you're never going to then be able to drop anything behind it.

Ah (please do not swear).
Thanks for catching. Auspex is so good wtf lol.

Literally everything else is when it comes in from reserves.

I forgot you have to put the relic on pregame and summon happens after.

Thought i was onto something guess not LOL.

Thanks no one!

[No One]

While it's slightly different wording for other strats, they still apply, because it's still reinforcements (again, reserves is not an actual term).

BRB said:

REINFORCEMENTS
Many units have the ability to be set up on the battlefield mid-turn, sometimes by using teleporters, grav chutes or other, more esoteric means. Typically, this happens at
the end of the Movement phase, but it can also happen during other phases.

Forewarned said:

Use this Stratagem immediately after your opponent sets up a unit that is arriving on the battlefield as reinforcements

Similarly, from the BRB FAQ regarding bouncing units, it notes that:

1. Any rules that are triggered by or apply to units that
are ‘set up on the battlefield as reinforcements’ are also
triggered by and apply to that unit when it is set up on
the battlefield.

Note that points 5-8 do not apply to any unit set up via
the Sustained Assault rule, any unit that has been added
to your army during the battle and has been set up

Which, while technically speaking doesn't mean that 1-4 applies, since it's still talking about things to remove and re-set up, is strongly circumstantial.

TL;DR It's reinforcements and vulnerable to all of the things that interact with that. All it gets around is tactical reserves, which...eh.