Caledonian Uprising, nids/kult #2

[N.I.B.]

Congrats to sneggy for yet another top performance, even post-GSC nerfs. Keep this up and you'll get Acolytes on the chopping block too!

Changes see nids be the main part of a fairly shooty list, no MC's to focus anti tank on, and Warriors make a welcome entry in competitive play.



2nd Place
James MacKenzie - Caledonian Uprising

Leviathan battallion
Stratagem: Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]

Broodlord, Onslaught, Relic: Resonance Barb
Tyranid Prime, Adrenal Glands, Boneswords, Deathspitter, Warlord
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10xTermagants
10xTermagants
9xTyranid warriors, Pair of Boneswords, Deathspitters x6, Venom Cannons x3, Adrenal Glands, Adaptive Physiology: Enhanced resistance
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6xHive Guard, Adaptive Physiology: Enhanced Resistance

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Cult of the Four-Armed Emperor battallion
Specialist Detachment: Deliverance Broodsurge [-1CP]


Patriarch, Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond
Primus

15 Acolyte Hybrids, Heavy Rock Saw x5, Cult Icon
15 Acolyte Hybrids, Heavy Rock Saw x5, Cult Icon
20 Acolyte Hybrids, Hand Flamer x20, Demolition Charge x4

Clamavus

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The Bladed Cog battallion
Strategem: Grandsires Gifts [-1CP]

Jackal Alphus
Patriarch, Familiar, Power: Mass Hypnosis, Power: Might From Beyond, Power: Mind Control, Relic: The Crouchling

10 Neophyte Hybrids, Mining Laser x2, Webber x2
10 Neophyte Hybrids, Mining Laser x2, Webber x2
10 Neophyte Hybrids, Mining Laser x2, Webber x2


2000pts

[crudelord]

This is awesome would love some insight into nuance of how the list plays.

[kazetanade]

Thank you for making my dream work sneggy hahaha! Great to see BC Lasers working with HG and those fast fast Warriors to put the pressure on!

[purestrain]

and now warriors are going up 5ppm

[kurtangle2]

Yep, Nids best way to be played is an Allied Kronos detachment for Cog GSC as I've said multiple times elsewhere.

[sasel]

theoretically, the BC + Leviathan detachment would also be the cornerstone for a triple flyrant list, right? 3x Flyrant + 3x Ripper as behemoth.

Edit: if I really think about it, then probably not. the improvements are already on the warriors and the hg.

[nintura]

Jan 14, 2020 19:20:32 GMT kurtangle2 said:

Yep, Nids best way to be played is an Allied Kronos detachment for Cog GSC as I've said multiple times elsewhere.

But....he's leviathan.....

[naviedzony]

Congratulations for our Brood Brother Sneggy!

[hiveoverall]

I think leviathan is a typo, the list sems much better with kronos. I do have my reserves on the prime being there for just a single warrior brood. Tht also tends to reinforce my supicions on the leviathan vs kronos question, because the prime combos well with th kronos psychic power

[kelermorph]

Jan 15, 2020 12:00:16 GMT hiveoverall said:

I think leviathan is a typo, the list sems much better with kronos. I do have my reserves on the prime being there for just a single warrior brood. Tht also tends to reinforce my supicions on the leviathan vs kronos question, because the prime combos well with th kronos psychic power

He has onslaught on his broodlord tho. So to me the plan seems to be: hive guard shoot pot shots from cover, warriors advance towards middle and onslaught to still shoot decent. Warriors hold middle until gsc arrive to light up the place.

Edit: also I believe the warriors and HG are there to clear screens and DS denial for happy times to GSC. That´s why it´s more important for them to survive long enough rather than shoot with more efficiency.

[No One]

kelermorph said:

Edit: also I believe the warriors and HG are there to clear screens and DS denial for happy times to GSC. That´s why it´s more important for them to survive long enough rather than shoot with more efficiency.

Yes and no? Both are mitigations against different things. Kronos means that you're going to quite reliably kill the screens you want to kill, quickly. Leviathan means that you're more likely to have something survive something getting LoS on you (e.g. fliers). But I don't think it helps enough in that situation to give up Kronos...

[hiveoverall]

Jan 15, 2020 12:50:53 GMT No One said:

kelermorph said:

Edit: also I believe the warriors and HG are there to clear screens and DS denial for happy times to GSC. That´s why it´s more important for them to survive long enough rather than shoot with more efficiency.

Yes and no? Both are mitigations against different things. Kronos means that you're going to quite reliably kill the screens you want to kill, quickly. Leviathan means that you're more likely to have something survive something getting LoS on you (e.g. fliers). But I don't think it helps enough in that situation to give up Kronos...

Yes I am with No one. I have played a lot of Leviathan over end of 2018 and all of 2019 and honestly it's a good perk, but it will not enable the HG and warriors to tank significatly more than they already do with the adaptation + -1 dmg vs shooting strat for warriors.  

Were it does make a difference is when a smash captain gets to your guys with a damage 3 thunderhammer, and every "6" on tyour feel no pain roll saves you a dude by absorbing the next 3 dmg blow with the remaining wound. It is a rather niche situation IMHO (and also dmg 4 hammer is a thing...)

[No One]

I toyed briefly with Leviathan as a mitigation for high damage stuff like repulsor exec or typhoon fliers. But it's not good at it unless they roll exactly a 3. And unless they're exposed (in which case probably just dead), I should be able to use blips to block T1, and then catalyst is better.

Edit: It sort of works for the warriors, since they're more likely to be wanting to tank, rather than mitigate actually getting shots. But against e.g. aforementioned thunder hammer: a unit of HG that's been charged by a smash cap is probably a non-entity.

[kelermorph]

All I´m saying is I don´t think this list just has the wrong hive fleet and this is what Sneggy brought. I could always be wrong tho, but until proven so I suppose we must assume Leviathan is what he had.

[mattblowers]

Congrats to sneggy, good showing!

To everyone else: If he says he did it with Levi- then I tend to believe him. Unless you all post better GT results with a non Levi list it's pretty groupthink (I guess we are the hive mind after all) to naysay his list. I personally want to hear how he is using it before I dismiss it. I don't understand how it works either, but I'm willing to listen since I haven't placed 2nd at a GT anytime recently. sneggy has more than earned the right to our respect this edition.