Thank you Doom

[08501337]

I am sure many of you have played a game that wasn't going to well for you where with one successful reserves roll a mycteic spore was brought forth from orbit right into the heart of your enemies horde and out of it's steamy sphincter the Doom of Malentai came forth and single handedly turned the tide of battle in your favour. It happens so much that I thought I would just give props to , what i consider, the MVP of my hive. 

Thank you Doom of Malentai for doing your thing.  

[Uhtin]

Honor to the Doom of Malan'tai

[StevO]

I see the Doom scatter models faster than the smelly kid in gym class.

Thank you Doom.

Sent from my SPH-D710 using proboards

[atrocity]

He can win games by himself. I've stopped using him though, he usually just drops in, kills a few models, then gets a meltagun in the head and dies

[coredump]

I would really like to run DoM, but only slightly less than Yealers, Zoans, and Hive Guard. If I had a way to grab a 4th elite slot, I would run all 4 choices.

[gman25639]

Doom of Malan'tai > Chapter Master, 2 Honor Guards, 7 Tactical Marines, and a Terminator
This all occurred in one turn!
Hail to the Doom!

[lordofthebrood]

The Tau Space Pope + bodyguard, 3 Crisis suits, 2 Broadsides and 16 fire warriors. In one round. Then he took a railgun to the oversized cranium.

*Edit*
Thank god for clumped up tau and the S10 AP1 large blast that is cataclysm...

[jason]

I've had mixed results with Mr. Doom. Some nights he fizzles and does nothing and I wonder why I wasted points on him again. Other nights he is an absolute rock star - to the point where I start to feel a little bad for my opponent and embarrassed that I played such nasty broken cheese. Mr. Doom is like a box of chocolates... :-)

[barthillious]

WRITEN BY COREDUMP


dude, c'mon. lets check a few of your assumptions here...

2-3 terminators out of 3 units, that is about 300pts, so if that is half their army, it is a really small game.

You are also assuming the GK player somehow manages to place their terminator units so close together, yet leaves enough space for a Spore pod and Doom to drop down, and just happen to be within 6" of 3 different terminator units. Kinda reminds me of the player complaining about flamers when they cram all of thier models in a clump.

But sure, lets say there just happens to be that many terminator units that close together, and you are lucky enough to drop down just right. Okay...

Now they need to roll on Ld, and they need about 11.25 wounds (because they get their invuln saves).... so that means a 12+, 13+, 13+.... and that is about a 2.3% chance

Yes, even if the GK player plays stupid and puts 3 termie units close together, and even if you manage to drop down and get within 6" of all three... there is still less than a 3% chance of killing "2-3 terminators from 3 units"


And sure, *if* you can drop near 2-3 units, and *if* you manage to cause quite a few wounds, then you can toss off a pretty nasty Cataclysm. But know who else can match that? Vindicators, demolishers, medusas, etc.

And they don't have to get lucky first, nor worry about Psy tests and Deny the Witch, nor take damage from doing it, nor get taken out so easily by Krak/Lascannon hits.

coredump

Lets say you can, on average, get in range of two units. And lets say they are, on average, Ld 9. That means that you will cause, on average, 4 wounds. Lets ignore invuln and cover saves for the moment. What are you killing that 4 wounds will 'get back' 130 points?




Read more: thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/43313/expect?page=6#ixzz2VlbI58Dg

[infornography]

To be fair, the vindicator does take just as many hits from lascannons on average as a doom. Significantly more krak, but just as many lascannons. And both are equally likely to be outright killed by a lucky lascannon shot. 1 in 3 pens will kill a vindicator and 1 in three wounds will kill a doom. Though I guess it is SLIGHTLY easier to wound the doom than pen the vindicator from the side.

Plus the doom has that initial infantry slaughter that didn't take it's shooting attack.

All the other points remain solid though and the vindicator is a whole 15 points cheaper to boot.

[undead]

Why do people keep saying that there doom gets annihalted by high ap weps , does he not inherit the 3+ invul that zoanthropes have

[barthillious]

Ok so firstly i fully admit 2-3 terrmies isn't half an army it wasn't actually meant to be taken literally all i meant was its pretty devastating for an elite army, which it is Gk feel every loss deeply.

as for dropping in, drop pods are by far the most accurate deep strike (excluding special will not scatter rules) due to them minimizing the distance to land in open ground, you then have the entire of the outside hull to deploy around and you do this within 2" of it, or is it 6" with the new rules, either way that gives you a fair amount of distance and an extremely accurate decent, i know this from using them myself more times than i can count.

the enemy units don't need to be close together most people keep there army's in some form of formation people keep there units near enough that they can help each other if needed, the doom on a zone base has a 2" base and the area of effect is 6" so his units can be 13" from each other and still be both hit in one go by a doom in the middle in fact hitting multiple units is dam easy and gets even easier with bigger armies.

as for the maths, not going to fault chance, but ask people how many time their LD10 char passed his mind scarabs test? in reality yes you can have a game where every unit passes its LD test and you can have the other extreme where they take too many wounds and all the terrmies die (5 man units and yes extremely unlikely) either way the fact remains it is more than capable of taking out 3-4 terrmies in this fashion and if memory serves they are 40Pt's per model so 3 and you've made your points back, were not even on to the blast yet.

the blast itself starts at str4 and the doom is bs4 not too shabby, even without causing any wounds before hand it is more than capable of wiping out a termi unit or any other unit it chooses just like a vindicator and unlike a vindi it cant be shaken cant be glanced too death and gets a rather impressive 3+ invun.

my original point was the doom could be dropped in and get more than its points back with no thought required.

so if you mess up one of the most accurate deep strikes possible and deploy the wrong side of your rather large drop pod and then your enemy rolls extremely well and you completely miss with a large blast then yes it will do nothing so i surrender, my original statement was incorrect, so ill amend it

the doom can be dropped in by anyone with enough wits to be able too tie their own shoes and get more than its points back before posing a target which in my opinion makes it not much fun too use.

[infornography]

Jun 10, 2013 0:39:32 GMT undead said:

Why do people keep saying that there doom gets annihalted by high ap weps , does he not inherit the 3+ invul that zoanthropes have

Yes, he does get the 3++, but krak missiles and las cannons are instant death weapons for him. When normally it could take as many as 10 successful unsaved wounds to kill him, it only takes one unsaved lascannon or krak missile to remove him from the field no matter how successful he was at killing things on his turn.

[infornography]

barthillious, I think you are underplaying the probability of nothing happening when the doom comes to town and overplaying the risk of him dominating. Each unit with a leadership of 9 or more has at worst an 83% chance of not being affected by spirit leech. The odds of two or three units making that aren't actually that bad.

as for the cataclysm, if you don't get any spirit leech wounds, cataclysm is not that intimidating as it only wounds on 4+. Odds are decent you will do more wounds to yourself than enemies at that point and they will get deny the witch after you have to make the psyker roll and hit with it. Plus they get invuln or cover to try to save the wounds.

I really don't see the odds as that low that the doom will come down, even with perfect placement and deep strike landing and do nothing at all other than get a lot of attention and wound itself.

Meanwhile the odds of it utterly dominating the field are actually quite low.

That said, I do agree that high risk high reward units are not generally my favorite because relying on randomness is not a good strategy. That said however I use the Doom as a distraction more than relying on it to do well. The risk of it getting lucky is usually enough for my opponents to focus fire it down and it is cheap for it's durability usually so I welcome that attention.

[dakkathrope]

I use doom in the same way. I do have the amazing games where doom wrecks the board, but often it is due to my opponents poor choices, like staying or moving into spirit leeches range. However, more often than not, for me, Doom doesn't get his points back his first turn on the board.