Some new 6th rumours, how would they effect us?

[gloomfang]

Jun 27, 2012 1:59:07 GMT Bot said:

Jun 27, 2012 1:41:41 GMT webebuggin said:

Not sure about brody. I don't have my sex with me but is he considered a squad leader? I hope erreta fixes that to specify that he can challenge. Broodlord op if he can take a psychic blast attack AND issue challenges in combat with hypnotic gaze. Commando broods for the win!

As far as I've been reading (In the rulebook), the broodlord has become a character. So he will indeed be able to challenge. But only other characters I think. Will check it tomorrow.

From what i have seen upgrades like sargents and broodlords count for chalenges. Only bad thing is the 6"autonegate. Still i can think of named ICs who don't want to tangle with a broodlord.
Implant attack with rending anyone?

[webebuggin]

Lol cute space puppy wanna fight? *hypnotic gaze*

[Deleted]

Do we know who the 2 armies for the starter set will be? I heard at first it was to be Dark Eldar and Dark Angels, now theres something about chaos?

[gigasnail]

most consistent rumors are DA and chaos. there has been nothing official though.

[coredump]

Jun 27, 2012 0:41:21 GMT gigasnail said:

unless i'm missing something (there is a lot to wade through) rupture cannon is pretty baller now, esp. with an old avesary tryant near. AP4 doesn't have a penalty on the chart, it just doesn't get a bonus so you're still looking at S10+d6 for penetration. problem is going to be the expense. but with a 2+ armor, the removal of no reatreat! wounds and the changes to power weapons, things look do better for the tfex.

Jun 27, 2012 0:43:30 GMT gigasnail said:

coredump: to me, it looks like the table being 1 position worse would be balanced by the death by glances hullpoint system, no?

Oh sure. Overall i think vehicles have taken a hit; and hull points are a big part of that. OTOH, the damage chart itself has been nerfed for weapons that are AP3-6. (And the same for the others.

[N.I.B.]

Jun 26, 2012 23:57:54 GMT rcrih said:

Someone on BOLS was reporting that nid MCs were going to get eternal warrior or maybe invuln saves in the errata but I don't see how they would know that yet. Might go a long to fixing nids though if fexes on up were a bit tougher.

How many times have you lost a MC to Instant Death in 5th ed, pray tell? The models that need EW are the mid-sized guys, not the T6 monsters. Our MC's would benefit much more from a generic invulnerable save.

[Illithid]

Gray Knight force weapons Nib.

[nalathani]

I have a single Grey Knight player at my store, and there's about 12 of us total. I lose my warriors, zoans, and venomthropes to Krak missles and powerfists much, much more often than I lose my MC's. Occasionally I lose a poorly placed Tervigon to Jaws of the World Wolf, but that's about it.

The lack of "No Retreat!" wounds is fantastic for us. Gaunts/gants/gargs unupgraded can now effectively tarpit. I'm actually thinking about trying to use a unit of 9 rippers just to get a cheap 27 wound unit. 90pts, 27 wounds. 90 points of termagants is only 18 wounds.

With hull points, I think deathspitters and devourers just found a new use. 12 Devilgants from a spore hitting rear armor: 18 hits, 3 glances, average. That's enough to wreck a vehicle. 6 Warriors with deathspitters: 18 shots, 9 hits, 3 glances/pens. Again, enough to wreck it.

Since our spores can be fairly accurate when dropping, I can see our troops opening transports at range by just getting behind the vehicles. 6 Warriors are much harder to kill than the termagants, but they cost a bit more. Oh the possibilities...

[N.I.B.]

Jun 27, 2012 10:20:15 GMT Illithid said:

Gray Knight force weapons Nib.

Yup, that's about the only army that can reliably do that to us. How many armies are there? 15? MC's die to las/plas/missile/melta spam, not to ID other than in very few situations against one army, when your bubble wrap has failed.

A generic invulnerable save is what our MC's need, our T4 needs the EW.

[reallysorry]

I'm with nib on this one! Invuln save for MCs prettyplskkthnx!

[webebuggin]

If you only got one: invul on mcs or eternal warrior on our t4 besides genes?

[Jabberwocky]

EW would work out better. 300% improvement over 50-100% improvement. Plus some MCs already have access to cover saves through Guard or venomthropes.

[kurbutti]

The latter of course. MC's get a 5+ cover for being 25% obscured. (If the rumour is correct, that is) Getting a /++ on top of that seems useless. If it works like FnP then it'd be okay, but invulnerable? Come on.

[rcrih]

Missile launchers have an AA missiles: Str 7 AP 4 and skyfire. Long Fangs just became pretty nasty AA especially against the Harpy.

[Geneva]