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Post by Helonion on May 22, 2011 21:48:30 GMT
All men are? What Serendipity! Seriously though, I agree with Alice, saying that all young men act that way just makes them think it is okay. Seriously, they need to grow the hell up and realize jsut because they have raging hormones it isn't much of an excuse since clearly women manage to control theirs. But they also can take pills to help...... guys get to use a more greater awkward technique to deal with it >_> |
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Post by hivefleetcollossus on May 22, 2011 22:52:50 GMT
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Post by Alice on May 22, 2011 22:57:29 GMT
Yeah, sorry about that. Rape has been removed from the swear filter and should appear normally now. As for why annihilation was used you would have to ask trygon, he is one who did it. Excellent! That's so much better, thank you! |
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Post by Bot on May 23, 2011 5:10:46 GMT
I can't see the big deal...Yes... People who read the page will either:
- 1. Think it is very stupid, and go rage mode because it is so stupid.
- 2. People would laugh and say:
Boy1 - "hahahahaha! hey, the girl in the mall, she was hell hot!"
Boy2 - " RAPE-SUPPORTER!!!" And then they would both laugh themselves to death.
- 3. People with very, very, very little intelligens begins to find everything offensive.
... Now if this had been Obama or Lars løkke Rasmussen, I could understand why it would make people so angry. But this is just some random silly person
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Post by coff on May 23, 2011 5:42:47 GMT
It seems like something posted for shock value. You could just as easily replace every instance of a male specific pronoun with a female specific and I'd be a rape victim or at the very least being used by a female who is a rape-supporter.
What this seems to amount to is similar, in my view, to the way radical Christians cast adultery. The simple act of gazing upon a person of the opposite gender while not betrothed to that person is adulterous. Similarly, the author of the blog seems to paint all men in one broad stroke. While many of the criteria which she has presented seem valid means of judging a man's perspective toward women some are seemingly baseless and could very easily be gender flipped to cast every female as a rape-supporter.
Don't get me wrong, rape is a vile act. On par or greater than murder in my eyes. But this seems like a stunt more than a valid position. A way to generate site hits from people like us. In essence she's trolling and she has succeeded.
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Post by Alice on May 23, 2011 10:04:15 GMT
^ Speaking of which, don't you find it shocking that females can't be convicted of rape?
The worst they can be charged for is sexual assault, which carries a much lighter punishment. The world is mad.
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Post by wisdomseyes1 on May 23, 2011 16:24:04 GMT
This topic is ironically blocked at my house for pornography. It is kind of amusing, considering some of the points presented  I am still, however, not able to get onto the actual topic, as my school computer blocks blogs/ personal sites (which apparently this isn't classified as and that is o.0) From what has been put on here so far, though, I believe that this woman (I assume woman) Was raped and she felt that no one cared or did enough about it. She now feels that all men do this. She makes points about what men do and assume that women do not do these things/ she makes it solely men who can be rape supporters. She is allocating the blame to men and only men, and does not want to be proven wrong. I do have a curiosity however. Helly said that homosexuals where covered as rape supporters in the topic. How? from what this sounds like, men vs women is how this is playing out. I would assume some nonsense about child molestation or jail comes into play? |
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Post by Hellbreaker on May 23, 2011 18:17:57 GMT
He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are present.I do have a curiosity however. Helly said that homosexuals where covered as rape supporters in the topic. How? from what this sounds like, men vs women is how this is playing out. I would assume some nonsense about child molestation or jail comes into play? - He watches any pornography in which sexual acts are depicted as a struggle for power or domination, regardless of whether women are present.
So not all homosexuals I guess, but still. |
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Post by carnogaunt on May 23, 2011 19:44:24 GMT
How about the girl who has a reputation for being a "$lut"? usually people know one This is not really analogous. A promiscuous woman might be shunned by friends or family, or devalued in relationships. A promiscuous man is usually at worst frowned upon, and not infrequently gains respect from his peers because of his behavior (e.g. he might be called a "stud"). So the same behavior in different genders gets quite a different reaction. This is why the topic of gender roles is really quite a nasty can of worms, even though we hardly think about it in day-to-day life. As an exercise for yourself, try to define your gender (i.e., what it means for you to be a man or a woman, not your biological sex) as objectively as you can. Then compare your own definition to other people's definitions (but please don't do it on this website, because someone is likely to be offended). You will probably find that not only is gender hard to define for yourself, but that the perception of gender actually varies quite a bit from person to person. This is probably why some of us are having such an extreme reaction to this blog, and it's also one reason why I don't consider sociology to be a true science. |
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Post by 3ff3ct on May 23, 2011 20:03:43 GMT
A pretty close to the cuff thread, very thought provoking. I do love the fact that everyone has disagreed with whats stated in the link though.
I feel very sorry for the person that made it, they obviously have some serious issues going on.
What do I think? Misguided and wrong are two things that spring to mind.
Thank goodness we have the law to let us know where the lines are, as if this individual was in charge, half of the population would be in jail.
At least profits at Anne Summers would be up....
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Post by Psychichobo on May 23, 2011 22:11:48 GMT
Well, we've already established she's quite clearly an idiot and being far too offensive and aggressive to be taken seriously. But some of her 'points' do have a ring of truth to them (ignoring the ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS bit).
We do live in a rather patriarchal society, and though it's generally equal for the genders, there are particular ideas of what a man and woman should conform to. I find this particularly prominent in the movie industry, where a lot of the time a woman is in a movie purely for the purposes of being a love interest, or as a token.
Plus, you rarely get a variety of interesting female characters. Seriously, they all tend to have the same personality a lot of the time - sensible and levelheaded and occasionally cocky. Every time.
I dunno, it could just be me. But going back to the '*crow caw*' thing, it is true that a girl with a promiscuous past has a harder time than a guy.
What do you guys think?
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Post by Alice on May 23, 2011 22:40:36 GMT
^I've ranted about that so many times! There are some things that upset me: -In movies, like Psychichobo says, very frequently women serve an ornamental function. Think of all the famous film actors and actresses. How many men are stunningly good-looking, and how many women? Not all, but most famous film actresses are (or have been) physically beautiful, and that's because directors only want physically beautiful women in their films. However there are many many less-than beautiful men out there (Steve Buscemi, Danny Devito, and Rick Moranis to name a few). -Speaking of films, you can watch pretty much any film and say to yourself 'hmm, I wonder when she'll start taking her clothes off'. Bath scenes, pointless shots of them changing clothes, ripping off parts of their clothing to bandage somebody up, the list goes on. -Women in films, video games, comic books etc. often wear scant clothing. It's hard to think of a video game that doesn't contain half-naked women. Armour plated bikinis don't protect ANYTHING important lol. And the ones that don't contain half-naked women often feature them in helpless roles where they depend on men to save them (eg. Princess Peach/ Princess Zelda). This not only perpetuates the objectificationm of women, but also impresses this on a young crowd who'll then grow up with these beliefs. -Schools I visit are surpressing girls by banning certain items of clothing because they are a 'disctraction' to the boys. I'm not talking miniskirts or tight trousers. I'm talking kitten heels (3 inch high shoes), blouses, and make-up. Seriously. If these things distract boys, I say the problem is with the boys, not the girls. Why should THEY have to change? The boys should be given serious talks on self control! -Most female news reporters and weather presenters are young and attractive. Most men in the same profession are not. I wonder why that might be? -I was attending a class in a course today. We were discussing job interviews. The lady in charge advised that women are expected to wear a skirt suit or skirt and blouse to an interview, not trousers, because, and I quote 'gentleman empleyers prefer to see skirts'. Need I say more? I doubt I need to tell you what my response was! (The fact that I never wear trousers myself anyway is irrelevant. I wear skirts because I feel more comfortable in them, not because I think men will like them. I still found what she said outrageous). -Music videos. What is it that makes female artists feel they have to strip off to sell a song? Probably the fact that they are competing with all the awkwardly bulgy, greasy, bikini-clad, grotesquely proportioned idiots who get trotted out on male artists' videos. The women here are definately at fault though. What kind of rolde model to young girls are people like Rihanna, Britney Spears and Beyonce? Prat around in your pants and shove your wobbly bits in your audience's face and you'll be a star. I was asked by my friend's daughter 'why don't the men have to wear their knickers' when we were watching Britain's Got (no) Talent. It's really sad. Being a woman is embarrassing at the moment. Act like a piece of meat and you get treated like one. But hey, as long as you're making money, right? I'll take my dignity over that any day. If I was famous, I'd want it to be for talent, not willingness to leave my clothes at home. I could go on, but I realise how boring I am!  I do have a few good things to say though. I like Disney for providing a good number of strong female characters for young girls to look up to. I loved Pocahontas and Esmeralda when I was little  I'm not a feminist in any way. I agree men are better suited to some things than women, and vice-versa, because we ARE different. Generally speaking (of course) men are stronger and have more muscle mass, so obviously that's why there are no women in major league football. But I do object to the un-necessary oppression of either gender (like the kind the article in question shows!) |
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Post by wisdomseyes1 on May 24, 2011 3:26:18 GMT
This point amuses me for a very good reason. Every year, at my school, the swim team walks around in their speed-o's on Holloween. Now, I am not one to complain, but their are qwuite a few people who probably do.
Here is something that I really hate though. Everyone I know calls my best friend a *crow caw*, because she "gets around" if you catch my drift. However, these are guys who are saying this as well, and some of them get around far more than her. They are cooler because of it, and my friend is subject to torment for it. I do not understand this.
i actually asked one of the people calling her this, and he gave the STUPIDEST answer. "It is because, ultimately, it is the girls decision, because guys always want it. Girls have all the power, and they chose weather it happens or not, so it is their fault and they are sluts for it"
It took the work moron and multiplied it by googol. Seriously???
We must not be watching the same movies...
Though I can see the stereotype present in many cases, there are also opposite cases as well. Both women AND men have to be good looking, not just the women.
The problem with the "Strong woman" image, is that it demeans the house wife. One should not be more important than the other. One should not be right or wrong. But the logic that many women go by IS that hard working women are Superior to those who stay home, don't work, and raise their children.
Though I see your point, I would like to say it is actually more of a traditional thing added with social norms. I can wear a skirt to a job interview, but that would be far out of social norms. It is not illegal, but it shows conformity, which is exactly what jobs want. If you are willing to conform, you will do exactly what they say, and you are likely o stay with the company in question.
True. Though there are news stations that are exceptions to this rule (most people will not know this, because apparently fox news is widely hated)
The same is true for films with ripped men taking their shirts off for no reason (I'm looking at you Twilight Saga)
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Post by mina on May 24, 2011 3:53:46 GMT
Indeed Men do have their stereo-types, and perhaps an argument can be made that men have it worse than women... but it's a much harder argument to sell than the woman one.
Not that I am counting or anything.... but
Men caused the opression of women into the sex object/housewife category.
Okay so that was a long long time ago, and it isn't present in such strength today, but that's why the stereotype hung about.
I mean think about it, open a world history textbook for school. Start with old times, show me all the women that generally appear... okay look Egypt Cleopatra.... what is she known for: Being a queen of the nile who was VERY HOT... something about commiting suicide. Keep moving... Hey Merry old ENglad Queen Elizabeth, Catherine the Great Russia! Then we hit America and maybe maybe you hear about Florence Nightingale or Clara Barton. Maybe you hear about Sacajawea but the emphasis isn't on them, you don't get the emphasis that Lewis and Clark woulda failed without her... like Ever?
Look at American Coins. All have men, except one that is rarely used.
History was written by the winners,*waves at the men of 100 years ago*
I am sorry Wisdom, but men weren't burnt at the stake or drowned because they were acting up.(Salem witch trials.)
I really hate sounding like a feminist, because I really like guys a whole lot more then girls,(I mean they are so cute and funny xD) but I dont really feel for your stereotypical problems.
I mean if I just go by my own life in the girl stereotype... I had to take up wearing make up recently for my job because otherwise I didn't look "presentable" When men and women find out I have never had a boyfriend they immediately assume I am gay or bi. As if no girl could get along to the age of 17 without a man to complete her without being a queer.(Not meant as a insult to gay people. I respect their decision without agreeing.) My Mom constantly is pressuring me to dress nice and look attractive because I honestly don't bother. I am being slowly made to conform to being feminine.
Even looking at the suicide rates, men are more likely to succeed, but less likely to try. Women more likely to try less likely to succeed. Why do you think women are more suicidal? Each hair right on their head, gotta look sexy, make up, good clothes, pleasing to men, good job, raise a family, be kind and loving to a husband no matter how brutish he is.
And tell me, how many times do you see a fat slob of a husband with a small delicate little female on his arm? Maybe less in Europe, but it still happens all the frikin time. It's okay to be over-weight as a male, very few men suffer eating disorders.
When you see a slovenly guy you just kinda go 'eww' a woman on the other hand is considered to be near evil for this.
I'm sorry, I like Alice could write a novel on this whole thing and get very hot under the collar at the subject. I also liked the strong disney females. But seriously, BE A MAN AND DEAL WITH YOUR PROBLEMS! WOMEN DID FOR A LONGER TIME THEN YOU! (protest rallys and riots are acceptable ways of dealing.)
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Post by wisdomseyes1 on May 24, 2011 4:41:11 GMT
Because American coins generally depict out presidents, which, up until recently, women where not considered intellectually able to lead. This goes for most of the points you make. The past. That is the way we acted in the past. Today is the present conversation. Today, wemon ARE NOT oppressed, nor are they pressured any more than men are. This amuses me because it is under the assumption that only women were burned (and that burning was the only way they were killed, but that is a different topic) Anyone who was accused of being a witch was killed, regardless of who. Actually, many people were killed because of a few girls saying that they were being possessed by people they did not like (which they started with a slave of theirs who told them stories of Africa and their culture. this was black magic in their eyes) Women where victims, this is true. But they were also the cause. It is actually not socially depicted as an "okay" thing for males. In real life, these people are mocked and looked down upon, and in movies and media, are depicted as cruel evil men, or rich selfish men. In the past, women were actually considered more attractive as over-weight, because it was a sign of wealth. Men are more likely to succeed because they are smarter Kidding. Men and women think differently. This is not just a, "yea, girls like this and guys this" The brains of men and women are differently sized and have different synaptic links along with different hormones being pumped through the body producing different emotions. And it is still a media thing. Men are not DIRECTLY aware of the pressure put on them, where as women are reminded of it every time the turn on the TV. Every add directed towards women is made to make them feel ugly, worthless, and make them want to buy a product to become better. With men, it is usually about games and sports, not self improvement. And when it is about self improvement, it tends to send a message that they are good, but best a certain way. The suicide rate is directly proportional to the pressure put on by the media? Not really. Peers also have a great influence. Actually more so in my opinion, because the suicide rate for gay individuals is fairly high as well, but nothing in the media demeans them. Rather, the adds that depict what is "normal' also send a message that gay people are outsiders, even if not directly stated. And in many places in the world, women still are. However, the United states is not one of those places. Don't think for one second I am complaining about the situation males have. I am not. i am showing that the current situation between males and females is not so different. In the past, women had to fight for their rights, as the way it always was showed a woman as the less dominate one (which physically is far from the truth) However, this fight has yet to end. Women still feel the need to fight and prove themselves, because that is what todays media says they should. I may sound like a hippy, but I really try to avoid media and such. I don't take my ideals based on what I see on TV or in movies. I formulate my ideals by gathering the opinions of others and their defenses for their opinions, and choose to accept or deny information that does or does not make a valid argument and present a reasonable point. And, at this point in time, using current situations, the problems with women are not as bad as they once were, and are no more than with men. But it has been instilled in the minds of many that women should fight and surpass men, which only create the idea that men are better than women. In reality, neither are better nor worse, though certain positions are often filled by certain people, but that does not suggest that one HAS to be this way, or even should. |
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