Who Will Rule The Universe?

[TheSwarm]

Because the feel the need to evolve ;D.

TheSwarm

[mumbo12]

A long while back there was a thread concerning the origins of the tyranids. One of the theories that I really liked was the tyranids were the successful one of many similar swarming species competing for dominance of their home world. The instinct to expand and evolve would be hardwired into their system and could still be their primary driving force.

[hyphen]

Since we're talking Tyranid fluff I'll throw in my two cents. I don't think the size of Tyranid fleets are anywhere near as large as they would have to be to reflect the consumed bio mass from hundreds of planets. Say they consumed a planet similar to our own in ecology and mass. That would equate to literally hundreds of billions of genestealer sized bio creatures from each planet they ate (unless Tyranids have a much higher mass then other creatures)... you just don't see that in the fluff, which I understand, since nobody would have a prayer against such a force. Anyway, I'm kind of interested in where all that spare bio mass is going?
Also, its claimed in the fluff that they consume the oceans and atmosphere of the planets they attack. Where the heck do they put all that stuff? I also find it difficult to imagine that they drink a couple oceans worth of water in the few weeks trip between planets. I remember reading some speculation that the Tyranid fleets were in fact resource gathering for a larger war back in their home galaxy. That they were perhaps able to “transmit” raw materials through the warp to wherever they came from.
Btw, I feel pretty sure Necrons would eventually be the victors in 40k. They can replenish their numbers (witness pariahs), have superior technology, they are planning to remove to warp from the physical universe entirely which the fluff hints they almost did at one point, they are not living thus have no bio mass for us to consume, they have the best basic warrior in the game, best HQ, best vehicle, time is on their side and lets not forget they pawned the Old Ones and ruled the entire galaxy in the past.

[TheSwarm]

If tyranids can go onto any planet and consume everything leaving a ball of scoured rock, they should be able to easily absorb necrons. Planets have buildings, machines, concrete, waste; tyranids absorb it all. If necrons were on a tomb world and could not phase out, they should not be immune from assimilation.

TheSwarm

[mumbo12]

The necrons didn't pwn the Old Ones. As their war dragged on the warp became dangerously unstable and a plague of warp creatures called enslavers began to destroy all life in the galaxy. The highly psychic Old Ones were pretty much entirely wiped out and the C'tan, realizing there's not going to be any food for a while, went into hibernation.

[n00b1n8R]

no the swarm, that's not how it works.

nids go to planets, and eat every ORGANIC thing.
they leave the buildings as they are. (albeit, abit smashed up)
n00b out

[TheSwarm]

Page two of the Tyranid codex says a tyranid invasion departs, "leaving a ball of scoured rock in their wake".

The definition of scoured:

1. To clean, polish, or wash

A planet that is "polished" would not have anything on it, including buildings and vehicles. These kinds of things do not just disappear. Like the water of the planet Tyran (page 6), which is not biomass nor organic, these man made creations and necrons are assimilated. The tyranids then depart "leaving a ball of scoured rock in their wake".

TheSwarm

[n00b1n8R]

yer..
and we know GW sticks like glue to propper deffenitions..

www.games-workshop.com.au/games/40k/tyranids/terrain/digestion_pool/2world.htm
soo.. umm.. is there any buildings left?

the awnser is yes.
n00b out

[TheSwarm]

Well yes some of the building is left. But if you look closely much of the cement and other building materials have been absorbed (including most of the building). The rest of that building was probably left to illustrate the vast destruction of a Tyranid invasion. Because most, but not all human creations have been abosorbed, the pic does not prove either of our points.

TheSwarm

[n00b1n8R]

it disproves yours more

[TheSwarm]

Mindless comeback from a mindless person ;D. Let me repeat myself; those pics can not be used to prove either of our theories. Some non biomass has been comsumed and some has been left behind. Come up with something a little more convincing than a pic that doesn't even prove your own theory.

TheSwarm

[LictorsRule!]

I'm with TheSwarm on this one. I thought the only thing they left was a big rock. I figured the grass that grows because of them just carpets everything so they ate buildings with the stuff, or something of that sort.


It's news years and I'm tired so I'll try to think of more things to help this point more later.

[hyphen]

What use would they have for stone, metal, composites and such when they use biological systems for everything. I thought they rendered down all the biological matter in the digestion pools, smashed everything else and left. I can kind of understand air and water because biological organisms need that to function in most cases... but rocks, plastics, and all the random debris of a technological civilization. Seems to me they would just crush it.

[shadowdragonswarm]

They'd break it down to the elemental forms.

Stone isn't just really a rock, it's a mix of elements, like iron, calciums, phosphorus, etc, all of which is found in living things for things such as hemoglobin(sp?) and bones, etc.

Thats if they absorb all that stuff, It's hard to say either way, because once again GW is fairly ambiguous, however I am led to believe that they consume atleast parts of buildings and such, as once they leave, the planet is supposed to be completely useless, whereas if they left stuff like that, I'm sure the Imperium or whoever could recycle the materiels.

[badnewranger]

Id say Tyranids or necrons. Leaning torwards tyranids