So Oval bases and movement..

[Hive Bahamut]

Now with the Dima being a wonderful model but contender for most stupid movement ever, I'm curious. What do others do to avoid this hazard during the battle? How many turns do you sacrifice moving because your giant 4-6" base (depends on facing right,) didn't move far enough? The Dima obviously avoids this a little but a Tervigon or Trygon, different story.

I thought it was just a side effect from the Tyrgon era but it is quite clear that being the an army with 6" movement across the board is hazardous when it comes to moving some of the bricks. Between being forced to bubble wrap, and this wonky limited movement it really has dictated the course of action a lot of games.

Maybe I'm just anal about stuff looking retarded floating 20' above a building it is standing in, but it sure seems like a "red paint job," or something would have been wonderful. Tyranids are very much like Necrons in that sense now. Not fast at all, just a relentless steady wave.. Heck we even took their phase out.

I think a couple fast MC wouldn't have been too much to ask. The Trygon realllly needs beast now to have a chance in Heavy Support.

[swarm492]

Is it possible to use the side of the base as its front, simply turn the base 90 degrees and pose Dima in a wider stance?

[Jabberwocky]

I don't see why not, the Dreadknight does it.

[gigasnail]

you can; there are no rules to how you have to mount them. but now you're still stepping all over terrain because your base is so honking wide.

[Jabberwocky]

There's always the 'free pivot' conundrum too.

Landraiders and other long vehicles have always exploited pivoting on the spot to try and get extra movement. Oval bases can potentially do it too but I would consider it cheesey.

Push right up to the deployment line side on, Move your 6" then spin 45 degrees to reach another 2".

[gigasnail]

they nixed the pivot cheese in 7th.

[Jabberwocky]

Oh good, I've not actually noticed it. I'll have to have a re-read.

[gigasnail]

it's not as clear cut as i'd have liked; i thought there was something specific to vehicles in that section but there's not, aside from saying to pivot them from the center to avoid them moving further than allowed. they talk about pivoting in the movement phase section of the book, where no part of the model/base can extend past its movement range regardless of how you pivot it.

[bolk]

Still, with the Dima being able to charge over units and terrain without initiative penalty is a big advantage compared to our other CC-beasts

[daboarder]

Jul 26, 2014 11:56:34 GMT bolk said:

Still, with the Dima being able to charge over units and terrain without initiative penalty is a big advantage compared to our other CC-beasts

except it cant do that

[bolk]

Jul 26, 2014 12:16:16 GMT daboarder said:

Jul 26, 2014 11:56:34 GMT bolk said:

Still, with the Dima being able to charge over units and terrain without initiative penalty is a big advantage compared to our other CC-beasts

except it cant do that

Ehm, thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/47171/dimachaeron-apocalypse-model?page=24

Look at the fourth post on the page. fleetofclaw e-mailed FW about it.

[daboarder]

Well in typical cluster fashion we now have two different answers to the same bloody question.
Good job FW.

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/47171/dimachaeron-apocalypse-model?page=23

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[bolk]

Jul 26, 2014 12:22:41 GMT daboarder said:

Well in typical cluster fashion we now have two different answers to the same bloody question.
Good job FW.

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/47171/dimachaeron-apocalypse-model?page=23

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Well, the one I posted specifically stated as long as the Dimachaeron doesn`t start or end its charge move in terrain, it can Leap over any terrain between him and the target unit without penalty to initiative. The one you posted answers if the enemy unit is in terrain.

I sent them an e-mail just to make sure as well, guess I`ll get an answer either on Monday or Tuesday.

[daboarder]

Jul 26, 2014 13:09:16 GMT bolk said:

Jul 26, 2014 12:22:41 GMT daboarder said:

Well in typical cluster fashion we now have two different answers to the same bloody question.
Good job FW.

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/47171/dimachaeron-apocalypse-model?page=23

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Well, the one I posted specifically stated as long as the Dimachaeron doesn`t start or end its charge move in terrain, it can Leap over any terrain between him and the target unit without penalty to initiative. The one you posted answers if the enemy unit is in terrain.

I sent them an e-mail just to make sure as well, guess I`ll get an answer either on Monday or Tuesday.

Right, so with a 6 inch long base, how much terrain to you expect to actually clear?

[Mauler]

Jul 26, 2014 13:09:16 GMT bolk said:

Jul 26, 2014 12:22:41 GMT daboarder said:

Well in typical cluster fashion we now have two different answers to the same bloody question.
Good job FW.

thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/47171/dimachaeron-apocalypse-model?page=23

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Well, the one I posted specifically stated as long as the Dimachaeron doesn`t start or end its charge move in terrain, it can Leap over any terrain between him and the target unit without penalty to initiative. The one you posted answers if the enemy unit is in terrain.

I sent them an e-mail just to make sure as well, guess I`ll get an answer either on Monday or Tuesday.

The two replies are not mutually exclusive: the first response covers intervening terrain, the second one covers the terrain that the target unit is in. In the first situation we get no penalty 'cos we leap over the terrain, in the second we do 'cos we leap into and end our move in it.

And the amount of terrain cleared with a 2D6 rerollable charge? More than in a 6" move usually...