Is the Dimachaeron going to be an Apocalypse only model?
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Post by rehkal on Jul 24, 2014 17:58:17 GMT
Then what the hell is the point of it? The Dima seems to have several pointless rules in place of rules it 'should' have. Leaping is a great example. Leaping should state "gives +1S to HOW when used during assault" From what I can tell, it does -nothing- else that Dima does not already have by being an MC. (unless I am missing something? please tell me I am) MAYBE you will be able to jump over an enemy unit with 6" of movement. Now... if leaping gave 6" -additional- movement during movement phase or +1s HOW during assaults I could see it being far more useful. That way you would have to choose if you wanted the 12" movement or HOW bonus... and it would actually make the Dima fit into its classification of fast attack.
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Post by tylertt on Jul 24, 2014 20:44:33 GMT
Then what the hell is the point of it? The Dima seems to have several pointless rules in place of rules it 'should' have. Leaping is a great example. Leaping should state "gives +1S to HOW when used during assault" From what I can tell, it does -nothing- else that Dima does not already have by being an MC. (unless I am missing something? please tell me I am) MAYBE you will be able to jump over an enemy unit with 6" of movement. Now... if leaping gave 6" -additional- movement during movement phase or +1s HOW during assaults I could see it being far more useful. That way you would have to choose if you wanted the 12" movement or HOW bonus... and it would actually make the Dima fit into its classification of fast attack. The way I understand leaping for assault, is the you just completely ignore terrain. Which a MC does essentially get with Move Through Cover, however this USR still makes us I1 on the charge. Leaping states you straight up ignore the cover, so therefore you are not dropped to I1, which can be a huge difference against some opponents.
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Post by Magorian on Jul 24, 2014 20:47:34 GMT
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Post by rehkal on Jul 24, 2014 20:47:54 GMT
The Dima seems to have several pointless rules in place of rules it 'should' have. Leaping is a great example. Leaping should state "gives +1S to HOW when used during assault" From what I can tell, it does -nothing- else that Dima does not already have by being an MC. (unless I am missing something? please tell me I am) MAYBE you will be able to jump over an enemy unit with 6" of movement. Now... if leaping gave 6" -additional- movement during movement phase or +1s HOW during assaults I could see it being far more useful. That way you would have to choose if you wanted the 12" movement or HOW bonus... and it would actually make the Dima fit into its classification of fast attack. The way I understand leaping for assault, is the you just completely ignore terrain. Which a MC does essentially get with Move Through Cover, however this USR still makes us I1 on the charge. Leaping states you straight up ignore the cover, so therefore you are not dropped to I1, which can be a huge difference against some opponents. You may want to read the below... Leaping does not allow striking at normal Init. So I emailed forge world about the dimachaeron and have just had a response! My email was: Hi Forge World Team, So I'm just flicking through my new imperial armour book and had two questions regarding the Dimachaeron rules- hope you can answer! Question 1. As per the leaper rule, if a Dimachaeron assaults a unit in cover- does it strike at it's normal initiative 6 or is it slowed by difficult terrain? The wording suggests that as it moves freely and OVER terrain, it would not be effected. Second query is I notice that it does not have the fearless USR. Is this an oversight? All other Tyranid mc's have the Fearless USR so just abit odd that this one doesn't. One last thing, why is this a fast attack choice if it only moves 6? It's very slow! Maybe errata in a 12 inch move? Go on. I'll buy one if you do! Best regards. Simon " The response I was met with was the following: Hi, Thank you for your email. The answers to your questions are as follows - 1. When using Leaper the Dimachaeron is affected normally by charging through difficult terrain, but does get the other listed benefits. 2. This is not an oversight. It is not a mindless killing machine, it is willing to fall back, re-group and attack again. Plus it is Leadership 10. 3. Its movement is correct. It was believed that Fast Attack was the correct section for the creature to be in, with regards to its abilities. If there is anything further we can do to assist you, or if you have any queries about the information we have requested or provided, please telephone us. Regards, Forge World Very interesting it was deliberate! Shame but not the end of the world.
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Post by N.I.B. on Jul 24, 2014 20:56:08 GMT
Then what the hell is the point of it? Not much. Hit and Run units would be affected. Still so extremely situational and insignificant that it's a mystery as to why they bothered give it the rule in the first place.
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Post by tylertt on Jul 24, 2014 21:00:02 GMT
Well that rule is kind of foolish then lol. Thanks man.
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Post by Magorian on Jul 24, 2014 21:04:12 GMT
Anytime.
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Post by milkybarnid on Jul 24, 2014 21:15:14 GMT
Apologies if this has already been asked, but do we have a rough idea of when we can see a dimachaeron for sale for those who didn't attend the open day? I know nobodys (I think) got an exact date but an estimate would be great.
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Post by Mauler on Jul 24, 2014 22:23:30 GMT
Then what the hell is the point of it? The Dima seems to have several pointless rules in place of rules it 'should' have. Leaping is a great example. Leaping should state "gives +1S to HOW when used during assault" From what I can tell, it does -nothing- else that Dima does not already have by being an MC. (unless I am missing something? please tell me I am) MAYBE you will be able to jump over an enemy unit with 6" of movement. Now... if leaping gave 6" -additional- movement during movement phase or +1s HOW during assaults I could see it being far more useful. That way you would have to choose if you wanted the 12" movement or HOW bonus... and it would actually make the Dima fit into its classification of fast attack. It does give +1S for a S7 HOW attack and Strikedown is fluffy and situational; it messes up any Hit 'n' Run units and also seriously hampers jump, jet pack, jetbike & cavalry units should they kill the Dimach in the first turn 'cos they have to make a dangerous terrain test at the start and end of their move. Better than nothing, IMO. As I said a while back, the Leaper section is written as a general rule, not specifically for the Dimachaeron, we can expect to see it on other units in the future who will get HOW from it. Apologies if this has already been asked, but do we have a rough idea of when we can see a dimachaeron for sale for those who didn't attend the open day? I know nobodys (I think) got an exact date but an estimate would be great. Not sure, FW didn't have a date set...I'll drop them a mail tomorrow and ask. Shouldn't be too long! Also...I'm hardly the best or fastest painter in the world but...getting there! Basecoat mostly done, just need to do the last colour for the carapace and wash it to get most of the work done...(it's not actually as bright as that) And the left sickle talon I removed and rotated into a more threatening position. Pinned them both as they look prone to getting caught on everything...
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Post by asmodas on Jul 24, 2014 22:27:15 GMT
Love it, Mauler - with that yellow, he just says "WARNING: EXTREME CHOPPINESS AHEAD." And I can see the Hive in the background!
Crone and Malanthrope are still way ahead of this guy on my "to buy" list, but he sure looks nice painted up.
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Post by gigasnail on Jul 24, 2014 22:39:23 GMT
If I end up getting one of these, I'm totally redoing those silly double ST into pincers.
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Post by Moontyranid on Jul 24, 2014 22:45:02 GMT
The Dima seems to have several pointless rules in place of rules it 'should' have. Leaping is a great example. Leaping should state "gives +1S to HOW when used during assault" From what I can tell, it does -nothing- else that Dima does not already have by being an MC. (unless I am missing something? please tell me I am) MAYBE you will be able to jump over an enemy unit with 6" of movement. Now... if leaping gave 6" -additional- movement during movement phase or +1s HOW during assaults I could see it being far more useful. That way you would have to choose if you wanted the 12" movement or HOW bonus... and it would actually make the Dima fit into its classification of fast attack. It does give +1S for a S7 HOW attack and Strikedown is fluffy and situational; it messes up any Hit 'n' Run units and also seriously hampers jump, jet pack, jetbike & cavalry units should they kill the Dimach in the first turn 'cos they have to make a dangerous terrain test at the start and end of their move. Better than nothing, IMO. As I said a while back, the Leaper section is written as a general rule, not specifically for the Dimachaeron, we can expect to see it on other units in the future who will get HOW from it. Apologies if this has already been asked, but do we have a rough idea of when we can see a dimachaeron for sale for those who didn't attend the open day? I know nobodys (I think) got an exact date but an estimate would be great. Not sure, FW didn't have a date set...I'll drop them a mail tomorrow and ask. Shouldn't be too long! Also...I'm hardly the best or fastest painter in the world but...getting there! Basecoat mostly done, just need to do the last colour for the carapace and wash it to get most of the work done...(it's not actually as bright as that) And the left sickle talon I removed and rotated into a more threatening position. Pinned them both as they look prone to getting caught on everything... Can you put it next too a other MC for scale plz i'm kinda confiused About his size.
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Post by DukeMantis on Jul 24, 2014 23:05:46 GMT
Thats an awesome colour scheme... but i'm sorry... ive got to be 'that guy' here. To me the model looks like something i could knock up myself out of random things in my bitz box, not in the 'wow thats awesome' way, like when i put a 2 rupture cannons on my Harpy... it's more like the 'lolno' way. It's just a mish mash of ideas from existing models in no particularly cohesive order. The Dimachaeron is meant to be a sleek deadly apex predator?! More like a massive derpy edward scissor-lizard that skipped leg-day at the gym LOL
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Post by Magorian on Jul 24, 2014 23:27:45 GMT
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Post by riverzora on Jul 24, 2014 23:39:46 GMT
I'm going to model mine quadrapedal like a cheetah. Like in Alien3.
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