What can we expect.

[angeleania]

We now have what 4 codex since the launch of 6th edition.
Please refrain from wish listing, there is a thread already for that sort of thing.

But taking what we see from the other codex that have already come out, can we see any trend that we can apply to our codex and type of forces, that we will see change in the next book?

How do people see this influencing what they will give to us.

Its a little hard i realize as the tyranid is kind of isolated and does not follow many of the normal army set ups.

The lean towards 1 or 2 centre piece models like the riptide and Wraithknight, makes me think maybe then we will also get a new beast, possible making the Trygon go the way of the carnifex.

Psychic powers, Biomancy is already pretty exclusively ours, but we can expect our own set (it sells more cards)

Cheaper (points wise) models. The books are showing the cost of stuff dropping for basic troops, (we buy more models) But will they introduce a new small model type?

We already have the few hinted statements from GW about "making every unit viable and desirable" I don't really believe they will get there. They have never made a truly balanced codex and as Tranids are outside the "Marine" standard, i don't expect them to realize how nids work. All the battle reports show they have no idea how to use the units (even the really bad choices they pick). The last codex shows some poor judgment.

but on the flip side the latest codex have been more towards balance(which is a good thing).

This is trying to apply trend analysis not wish listing, so before you answer try thinking through the reasoning why you make the reply.

[infornography]

I think we will have SOMETHING with greater than toughness 6. Be it a revision of the Tyrannofex or Trygon or a new expensive beastie. Monstrous creatures are kind of our thing and we are getting left behind.

points reductions all over the place. Not completely across the board and maybe a couple increases, but for the most part I expect to run more than I currently can.

Changes to venom cannons. Making it a direct fire weapon is all it would take to make the harpy not a complete joke, but improving toughness and/or save would protect it from being removed the turn it comes in to a SLIGHTLY lucky volley from a quad gun. As is it gets wounded on 2+ and no armor save with a number of wounds matching the shots from the gun. And even if only 3 shots connect, we have the double threat of having to check for grounding.

Probably at least one more flying MC. Possibly a huge one.

Some sort of ID protection on warriors, raveners, and shrikes.

This isn't necessarily the direction I would take everything, though it would all be welcome, but these are the changes I feel moderately confident we will see.

[maugrim]

1) New unit(s) which are large, flashy and expensive.

2) Currently amazing units will get either nerfed or increased in point costs. Conversely, horrible choices now will be reduced in points cost or given bonuses.

3) Troop choices will go down in points (and/or increased in min size) so you have to buy more.

So in short - Tervigons, Hive Guard, Ymgarls, Gargoyles and Trygons will be nerfed. Carnifexes, Pyrovores, Biovores, Venomthropes and Warriors will be buffed. And we'll get some new, huge... thing.

Also, for Synapse - we won't get Eternal Warrior (because EW on Doom is insane... unless Doom gets heavily Nerfed), but I can easily see us getting Feel No Pain while in Synapse. It fixes many balance and unit survival issues without breaking balance too significantly and it is fluffy-ish.

As a kick in the pants - Pyrovores will probably become our AA unit.

[brianb9999]

If biovores are buffed compared to what they are now, I would be surprised. One of the few seemingly points-efficient units in the dex.

[snowdaman]

Actually i can't see any id protection coming at all. Ew is becoming very rare. Daemons had it taken if everything so can't see them giving it to us nids.

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[gigasnail]

maugrim's #2: doesn't always happen. everyone was sure oblits would get a kick in the junk, they actually got better and cheaper.

who knows what's coming. i'd be happy if it gave us at least one other viable/strong build than the one or two we have now. give us more to argue about anyway ~

[infornography]

By ID protection I didn't mean EW. I meant some special rule that was similar but not as good, maybe just protection against double strength ID or ID only causes 1d3 wounds instead of all three every time, or Toughness 5, or something. GW is aware that is the problem with warriors and I think they will do SOMETHING to fix it. That something may just be a massive points reduction though, which would probably make warriors overpowered but at least attractive.

[edjammies]

Current trend is points reduction on just about every small-base model so I'm expecting terms and horms a 1-2 point reduction.

There also seems to be a large monstrous creature for each xenos codex now. If GW keeps true with the Tyranids, then they're saving the largest of all MCs for us (10+ inches, something to overshadow the Wraithknight). I only say that because the Trygon was by the far the most imposing non-apoc model of any army so it only makes sense that the Tyranids should always trump other armies in MC sizes. Before faeit got taken down, there were rumors of a Dominatrix model for our codex.

For our assault style, I think it's gonna be a coin flip. If they keep up with wanting to nerf models assaulting right away, then theyre probably just gonna ruin ymgarls for us. But the other half of the coin could be the very opposite; Tyranids IMO, have always been the vanguard of assault-based armies with genestealers and fleet back in 5th. Considering how potent they made Tau with their ranged attack(networked overwatch: seriously?!), I'm pretty confident that Tyranids can atleast be the foil of shooting. Maybe make genestealers actually scary again and somehow give them a special rule to assault out of running or out of reserves. Just SOMETHING to make the gunline armies that 6th ed just LOVES to hold hands with, actually sweat a bit and not always huddle up into a corner.

[warfrogger]

I think we can already guess what our "centrepiece Model" will be. It will be a massive FMC dual set that makes the Harpy and whatever mythical flying creature they name it after. Harpy will get a huge buff and become the helldrake of the Tyranids making every compeditive list require the new $140 CAD kit. Expect rules that make it immune to grounding tests to counteract all detriments of being a FMC.

/rant

But seriously I think we can expect Harpy/Roc kit (i like the name Roc) on release.

[scrotatohead]

- Cheaper troops. I think that's a given.

- Something with skyfire.

- Nid specific psychic powers.

- Better assaulting capabilties. Be that 'stealers getting to assault when outflanking or turn one player one, or being able to assault through cover without losing initiative.

- Improvements to the Tyranid Prime OR another HQ. We've got an underwhelming selection to choose from compared to all other armies, except Dark Angels.

[Hive Bahamut]

I agree with Maugrim

All of the Fleshborers on our Gants are going to become a more expensive option making the new Spike Rifle the cheap variant. (We already seen Spine-fists before.)

Big nerf to Shadow in The Warp providing something stupid like +1/2 deny the witch

A large change to names that already exist in the book or BRB just making it more difficult to remember another variant. (Acid Maw, Warp Field etc)

A fancy fold out page the has about 4 charts that are "cinematically influential," but require random rolling and therefore no prior tactical application.

SOME SOLUTION TO NO ALLIES/FORTIFICATIONS other than the $#!t excuse we get to use double force (like everyone else...)

Another codex littered with skyfire to continue to prove just how useless the flyers everyone loaded up at the start are.

Hierophant (in my wish list as well, but now I half expect it seeing the WraithKnight)

Tervigons to go the way of the Carnifex

A codex that has more than these as a gun choice: Devourer, Brainleech Devourer, Impaler Cannon, (face it you're not taking that Trygon for its shooting.. And the Tervigons Cluster is free.)

Some weak fluff tying us in as the Outlander's creation to counter the Old Ones...

HQ access to Inv.

Lictors to continue their tradition and continue to get worse, maybe just EXPLODING when deployed, to top their current form.

Some stuff that ignores cover (people tell me cover is more available at 5+, I laugh and look at all the 6th codices.)

A copy of the Skull Cannon, except probably just a Nid puking on something or our STRANGLEWEB doing it.

Mycetic Spore Every Tyranid gets to the planets surface this way

My wallet to get graped by the release of my beloved Tyranids

[gigasnail]

+1/+2 for deny the witch would actually be pretty good.

[joysan76]

i'm not sure we will have a new huge beast, we have already a lot of oval based creature and so.. why to do news

probably it's easyest the "new" entry would be the famous double kit harpy/xxx why else to wait so much to release it when, with the aerial compendium they could release it?

about the other things:

i'm not sure gant will have a point reduction i means... may be they will cost less but with the fleshborer weapon option then will be the same

and...

the core unit needing more corrections are warriors, their kit, as some old rumors say, may be used for a lot of 'nids creatures and so i can expect a lot od new rules and options for "medium sized" 'nids like warrior, lictors, brood guard and so on, cost reduction and more weapon will make this units more usefull (also with AA weapons)


our carnifex may be will have simply more weapons options, but i don't think they will changes a lot

Worms and big Worms will have probably new field entry rules and more sinergy between them then now

an unique tiranid powers list it's pretty sure for tervi and tyrant while zoanthrope will be the same.

the shadow of warp... i'm not sure it need to be changed, whe can see what they done with eldar runes to understand what may be this ability destiny

finally i'm expecting some new rules letting us some way to arrive faster in enemy contact, without vehicles our units suffer more the enemy fire and keeping our low ranged weapons we need something more then the hope to find good cover to reach them

[chuckles]

May 26, 2013 12:48:55 GMT maugrim said:

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Also, for Synapse - we won't get Eternal Warrior (because EW on Doom is insane... unless Doom gets heavily Nerfed), but I can easily see us getting Feel No Pain while in Synapse. It fixes many balance and unit survival issues without breaking balance too significantly and it is fluffy-ish.

Doom isn't a Synapse Creature and so is irrelevant to that discussion. FNP doesn't really fix the most crucial survival issue we have, which is how horribly easy to kill Warriors are. 2 wound warriors with T4 and EW were relatively easy to kill but they took a consistent amount of time to take out. 3 wound warriors without EW either take ages to kill with small arms fire (especially with FNP) or all die instantly to a single S8 shot. That's a problem, and some sort of limitation on instant death is the only real solution.

[infornography]

There are several ways of solving the problem though. T5, Taking 1d3 or 2 wounds on ID, Just counting as T5 for ID, MUCH cheaper, EW, no ID from strength, some combination of those.

We don't need EW back, it would be welcome but highly unlikely at this point.