why i don `t see more mawlocs?

[patata]

hello patata here,just some random toughts.

lately i`m having fun crafting some lists with territorial imperative, and i always feel like putting 2 mawlocs in there....let me explain

i know they can`t use their rule in the same turn,but having a 12 inch range where they can deploy often means i can threaten them to obsec steal in more than 1 objective

are they a bit squishy?sure, only a 3+ is not awesome,but usually not all objectives you can steal are well guarded, also yes they give bring it down for 3 points but then again i feel like most of the enemies i face have much better secondaries than being forced to kill monsters

in behemot and gorgon i feel they are amazing and so cheap for what they bring to the table, they need to be dealt with

what are your experiences with them? for reference i use this list( i know maybe i could ditch something for venomthropes,but whenever i bring those i feel they do so little and die so fast,if you can convince me on venomthropes it`d be appreciated because i just can`t see any reason for them


++ Arks of Omen Detachment (Tyranids) [103 PL, 2CP, 2,000pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Arks of Omen Compulsory Type: Troops

Battle Size [6CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Game Type: 5. Chapter Approved: Arks of Omen

Hive Fleet: (Lurk) Territorial Instincts, Behemoth

+ Stratagems +

Hive Predator [-2CP]: 2x Extra Warlord Trait

Rarefied Enhancements [-1CP]: Extra Bio-artefact

Stratagem: Heroic Support [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Tyrant Guard [8 PL, 135pts]
. 3x Tyrant Guard (Scything): 3x Two Rending Claws, 3x Two Scything Talons

+ HQ +

Hive Tyrant [9 PL, 195pts]: Heavy Venom Cannon, Lash Whip and Monstrous Bonesword, Power: Onslaught, Power: Psychic Scream, Warlord Trait: Adaptive Biology

Neurothrope [5 PL, 110pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Paroxysm, Power: Unstoppable Onslaught

The Swarmlord [11 PL, 240pts]: Warlord

+ Troops +

Hormagaunts [8 PL, 135pts]: Toxin Sacs
. 15x Hormagaunt: 15x Hormagaunt Talons

Hormagaunts [8 PL, 135pts]: Toxin Sacs
. 15x Hormagaunt: 15x Hormagaunt Talons

Hormagaunts [8 PL, 135pts]: Toxin Sacs
. 15x Hormagaunt: 15x Hormagaunt Talons

+ Elites +

Maleceptor [9 PL, 220pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Psychic Scream

Pyrovores [6 PL, 120pts]
. 3x Pyrovore: 3x Acid Maw, 3x Bludgeoning Fists, 3x Flamespurt

+ Fast Attack +

Mawloc [9 PL, 150pts]: Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis, Biostatic Rattle

Mawloc [7 PL, 125pts]: Toxinspike

Parasite of Mortrex [4 PL, 80pts]: Warlord Trait: Alien Cunning

+ Heavy Support +

Tyrannofex [11 PL, 220pts]: Acid Spray, Adaptive Physiology: Voracious Ammunition

++ Total: [103 PL, 2CP, 2,000pts] ++

[piersonsmuppet]

Two reasons: deep strike denial trumps TftD and Durability.

1-2x Infiltrators are pretty staple in every SM list and IG have a strat to deny deepstrike. Mawlocs rarely go where you want, and often just die from not being able to enter the battlefield.

The amount of meltas and other anti tank guns means they last 1 turn. Most lists can screen them off home objectives, so a Mawloc will only score 1-3 VP for BEL or Engage. You can deny a mid-field objective, but that only really affects scoring in hold 2/3 missions.

[afewveiws]

The suicide Mawloc plays are cute but never worth. If you gonna bring them you should hold them for later in the game after you've had a chance to get into their backline. Even in these cases I'd bring trygons instead and one is enough of an early game handycap.

This point of view falls apart if you are going to use it in a gun heavy list that doesn't plan on running at the enemy, because the turn they pop up if the enemy can shoot them they will destroy the wurms before it can do anything... Woulda been better off with another gun beast instead.

What is the fascination with the mawloc? Is it just the closer then everyone else clause because the damage output is abysmal and it's survivability is nearly zero... An equal points amount of hormagaunts at better at stealing objectives and they will likely kill something stealing it making their point economy even better ... Can anyone explain?

[No One]

My experience: show up, flip primary for a turn, die and give my opponent 2 BiD. One time they've been worth and flipped an objective, not died and sat on it for a bit, or bodyblocked while flipping an objective. But also as prev, guard and infils.

As prev while they could in theory be great for a primary+secondary play, in practice that's not reliable and you'll have to pick (at best: at worst you play guard and you basically have to footslog otherwise they just go 'no').

afewveiws said:

What is the fascination with the mawloc? Is it just the closer then everyone else clause because the damage output is abysmal and it's survivability is nearly zero... An equal points amount of hormagaunts at better at stealing objectives and they will likely kill something stealing it making their point economy even better ... Can anyone explain?

In theory they could be useful to either live, or at least soak AT from your other MCs, and can go deeper than horms much easier for BEL. In practice they're too squishy (reasonably priced zoans used to help with this...) and want to be in a position where they're not really soaking damage that'd go into anything else.

[patata]

i mean, i get it,omni scrambler effects are pain,but IG kinda destroys us anyway in every way with born soldier,not like a mawloc will be the difference,and i get that it won`t always come in the best spot,but it has a 12 inch coverage and it doesn`t have to be entirely within,so it can realistically threaten 2 objectives if you mark a middle point, i will need to test more granted,but i found that nowadays we gotta win with primaries cause our secondaries is so bad

[tylertt]

I ran a double TI mawloc build and it worked very well, except against Guard for all the reasons already mentioned.

It also comes down to people being ready for them or not. Most skilled players can shut them down, but even some who haven't faced them overthink it and it helps mess with their positioning.

IMO its a one trick pony within your local scene. Once people see what it does, kinda game over.