Harridan/Heirophant

[HiveTyrant1978]

Any ideas on good lists at 2000pts to support them and what fleets you would take to help supplement these two

[purestrain]

Sept 7, 2022 15:52:18 GMT HiveTyrant1978 said:

Any ideas on good lists at 2000pts to support them and what fleets you would take to help supplement these two

Super heavy detachments cannot benefit from hive fleet bonuses. I've been trying to figure out a way of doing it too

[dkng]

Maybe next IA will make them usable. All the big guys could use an upadate, Dima, Dules and Malanthrope.

[HiveTyrant1978]

I thought they still benefited from hivefleet adaptions, that really stinks if they don’t, given the restrictions you get for having the keyword titanic. I’ve been trying to cook something up with Gorgon and the Harridan (just got one, it’s a beautiful model) because they make their little giblies dangerous (gargoyles for starters) and you can use lurk to make your big boys almost impossible to bracket. But is it really true that they auxiliary super heavy can’t benefit from hivefleet adaptions? Because GW ap seems to think so but that wouldn’t be the first time it was wrong.

[tylertt]

Our FW needs some serious love to see any playtime over our codex alternatives.

I truly miss running my Harridan, I had a Crusher list with it that at the time really only struggled with pre-nerf Quins and a couple specific Tau lists.

[purestrain]

Sept 7, 2022 22:54:25 GMT HiveTyrant1978 said:

I thought they still benefited from hivefleet adaptions, that really stinks if they don’t, given the restrictions you get for having the keyword titanic. I’ve been trying to cook something up with Gorgon and the Harridan (just got one, it’s a beautiful model) because they make their little giblies dangerous (gargoyles for starters) and you can use lurk to make your big boys almost impossible to bracket. But is it really true that they auxiliary super heavy can’t benefit from hivefleet adaptions? Because GW ap seems to think so but that wouldn’t be the first time it was wrong.

Technically they cant gain the ability, but can still be affected by them.

This means that even though they cannot gain the adaptations from say HF levis reroll a hit roll, being within synapse would still allow them to not be wounded on 2s.

[HiveTyrant1978]

purestrain
Yeah but didn’t they fix that by giving them key world hive fleet tendril?

[HiveTyrant1978]

Of course this could be something I just missed at the very beginning of the fleet section

[No One]

Detachment Abilities
Every Codex lists a set of abilities that units in a Detachment gain if every unit in that Detachment is from a specified Faction. Units in Auxiliary Support Detachments, Super-heavy Auxiliary Detachments and Fortification Network Detachments never gain any Detachment abilities, even if every unit in that Detachment is from the Faction specified.

And hive fleet adaptations are a det ability.

You can still benefit from psychic/strat, but outside opportunistic (and even then, hiero has nice guns) there's not really anything worth going a specific fleet for your LoW. So focus on the rest of the army there. Not really anything in particular you can do to directly buff (other than obligatory 'cat/zoans'), so just good stuff that works well with a giant MC.

purestrain said:

This means that even though they cannot gain the adaptations from say HF levis reroll a hit roll, being within synapse would still allow them to not be wounded on 2s.

No. If Levi gave an aura you'd be (probably) be correct. It doesn't.

Each time an attack is made against a unit with this adaptation (excluding SYNAPSE units), if that unit is within Synaptic Link range of any friendly LEVIATHAN SYNAPSE units, an unmodified wound roll of 1-2 always fails, irrespective of any abilities that the weapon or the attacker may have.

[HiveTyrant1978]

@no one oh boy that stinks so the Higgins are pricy, under powered, and by themselves…… well still gonna try to run them thanks for the clarification 👍

[nbmraptor]

I loved running my harridan in my flying Nids list in the old codex. But without some support (never had fleet traits, but physiologies helped with survivability and cata was still 5+) there's just better things. Will rather use another harpy.

Unless it's just for fun and my opponent wants to see how quickly he can shoot it out of the sky

[angelwing]

well if you run at least three titanic units in a super heavy detachment, then they do benefit from the abilities. Obviously doesn't help your 2k list or wallet of course....
I thought there would be a stratagem that allowed a single super heavy to gain a faction ability, same as the guard get.