Winged Hive Tyrant relic

[niiai]

I was looking to what is the best melee relic for the Winged Hive Tyrant.

For the ost parts I like the sword and the whip. Re-rollig 1's to hit with the whip. And the sword has more ap and damage. After that I like the reaper of Obliterax. Mortal wounds is good. If I where to have 2, I am liking the Maw-Claws of Thyrax on a sword and whip. Re-rolling wounds roll seems strong. The rest is mostly fluff.

I do not like Scythes of Tyran. It is basicly upgrading scything tallosn to sword profile. (You loose 2 attacks and get 2 attacks, so you end up on 7.) Am I missing so,ething, like stratagems and relics that makes the other choises stronger? I guess there is an argument for scything tallons, adrenal glands (up to S8) and the Ymgal factor pushing you up to 9 attacks. (Or perhaps do it with a sword and whip?)

The Warlord trait to re-roll hits is mostlt copied by a stratagem (although that is costly.) Outside of common warordtraits there is nothing offensive in there to help. Thoughts?


THE MAW-CLAWS OF THYRAX

Add 1 to the bearer’s Attacks characteristic
Each time the bearer makes a melee attack, you can re-roll the wound roll.
Each time the bearer destroys an enemy unit as the result of a melee attack, until the end of the battle, add 1 to the bearer’s Attacks characteristic (to a maximum of +3).


THE REAPER OF OBLITERAX

Model equipped with bonesword or monstrous bonesword only. That model’s bonesword or monstrous bonesword gains the following abilities:
Each time an attack is made with this weapon, if that attack successfully wounds the target, the target suffers 1 mortal wound in addition to any other damage.
Each time an attack made with this weapon is allocated to an enemy model, that model cannot use any rules to ignore the wounds it loses.


SCYTHES OF TYRAN

Model equipped with 2 monstrous scything talons only. This Relic replaces 2 monstrous scything talons and has the following profile:
Scythes of Tyran
Melee S+2 AP-4 D3
Abilities: Each time the bearer fights, it makes 2 additional attacks with this weapon.

THE YMGARL FACTOR

At the start of the Fight phase, select one of the following:
Until the end of the phase, add 2 to the bearer’s Strength characteristic.
Until the end of the phase, add 1 to the bearer’s Attacks characteristic.
Until the end of the phase, add 1 to the bearer’s Toughness characteristic.


SEARHIVE

TOXIN SACS model only. Each time the bearer makes a melee attack against a unit (excluding MONSTER and VEHICLE units), if a hit is scored, it automatically wounds the target.


THE PASSENGER

ADRENAL GLANDS model only.
Add 2 to Advance rolls made for the bearer.
Add 2 to charge rolls made for the bearer.

[piersonsmuppet]

Reaper and Maw Claws on BS/LW are miles ahead of the other relics, though Shardgullet is up there with Reaper for best Tyrant Relic. The other relics are better on other HQs (mainly because they can’t take the 2 of the three above).

[nbmraptor]

I'm also liking Reaper for my melee flyrant. Likely taking a second flyrant with Shardgullet

[tylertt]

If Flyrant, Reaper all the way. I also feel adrenals may be a must if going with the Reaper to use our strat for bonus attacks. Now if Crusher Stampede sticks, the Reaper Tyrant is going to be our best melee unit HANDS DOWN. Potentially 13 attacks hitting on 2s rerolling those ones, toss in voracious and its a high chance we do 10+ mortals on the right targets.

[dkng]

Mar 25, 2022 9:09:06 GMT tylertt said:

If Flyrant, Reaper all the way. I also feel adrenals may be a must if going with the Reaper to use our strat for bonus attacks. Now if Crusher Stampede sticks, the Reaper Tyrant is going to be our best melee unit HANDS DOWN. Potentially 13 attacks hitting on 2s rerolling those ones, toss in voracious and its a high chance we do 10+ mortals on the right targets.

13 attacks?

[nameless]

There’s a psychic power (in crusher) and a strat (with AG in the new codex) that both do 1d3 extra attacks. 5 base + 2-6 extra + 2 feet.

[niiai]

I would not assume crusher stampede to be legal until we have a positive confirmatio.

Exstremly strong if it sticks.

[tylertt]

Mar 25, 2022 16:53:08 GMT nameless said:

There’s a psychic power (in crusher) and a strat (with AG in the new codex) that both do 1d3 extra attacks. 5 base + 2-6 extra + 2 feet.

There is also the Crusher Warlord trait too.

5 Base + 3d3 (+ Talons but reaper bonus there)

[omnivore]

Is the Reaper’s MW procced on a successful wound roll or on a failed save?

[deedus]

successful wound roll

[zimko]

Neither. It's a successful wound. So if you roll a 6 to hit with toxin sacs then it does a mortal. (Sorry for being specific but there is a difference between a successful wound roll and a successful wound)

[deedus]

ah, yes, good catch

[niiai]

I don't want to start a new topic when we are already talking about the winged hive tyrant. But tyrant guards:

I quite like them. T6 2+ save. They have a supricing amount of attacks. 3 atta KS base with rending and 2 scything tallon attacks.

However, my big discovery was the overrun stratagem. If the hive tyrant engages something nearby, 20" from tyrant guards if you have adrenal gland, you can use overrun to get back within the bodyguard range. You can pour on quite an amount of stratagems to make the hive tyrant win that fight (mortal wounds, additional attacks, re-roll wound roll.) If all else fail you can use encircle the pray, leave, and then land near tyrant guards next turn. It is probably better if you have 2 hive tyrants.

[nbmraptor]

Mar 28, 2022 9:54:40 GMT niiai said:

However, my big discovery was the overrun stratagem. If the hive tyrant engages something nearby, 20" from tyrant guards if you have adrenal gland, you can use overrun to get back within the bodyguard range. You can pour on quite an amount of stratagems to make the hive tyrant win that fight (mortal wounds, additional attacks, re-roll wound roll.) If all else fail you can use encircle the pray, leave, and then land near tyrant guards next turn. It is probably better if you have 2 hive tyrants.

My friend and I were actually just chatting about this.  Can really help with your flyrant's survivability, can throw them forward into a target and then bring them back to (relative) safety.  Can even throw two forward, overrun one back to safety and encircle the other one out of trouble.

[niiai]

I must admit I first saw it on tactical tortoises youtube channel. He describe dit as 'yoyoing' them back and forth. I did not belive it until it came up naturally in my game vs an Ork. With the cost of the hive tyrant to it's realative fragilety he really is a precisson tool with psykick powers on top. 12 wounds T7 is not strong for 200 points. He shouled be pouncing and get the (please do not swear) out, like The Batman or Batman in the Archam games.

So far my tyranids (same list though) have been very cadgy for 2 games. Only deep strikers, fast moving units and ranged weapons give me reach. Other then that it is much more of a cluster of models protected by the venomthrope.

I was so impressed with tyrnat guards I might consider having more then the minimum 3. But that is just a theory until I experimenting actually including them. The list does not have a lot of flexible points. Although 2 patrolls might help with that.