In new ChA hiveguards go up 5 points.

[purestrain]

Jan 23, 2022 20:01:12 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Jan 23, 2022 16:24:29 GMT purestrain said:

What OOE has as a built in usefulness, he takes away from every other unit in the army by not having that psyker on the field to augment them, or flat replacing a hive tyrant with Invuln ignore swords that will (given the d3 attacks wl trait) kill more often that he can when slamming into 4++. 

On the flipside, you then have a unit that is on par with him, that is more durable and you also have the nearly on par invuln killer. I know what I want, and OOE hasnt seen play on my tables for a while, he's too 1 dimensional for his costs and I've never had him survive a counter charge from a dedicated melee unit, and the haruspex just doesn't die.

Some Math for thought. SHB = Synaptic Hive Blades (ignore ++ BS's).

T8 3+/4++:
Tyrant w/ +2d3A, SHB, rr wounds -- 8.25 Dmg
Tyrant w/ +2d3A, SHB, rr wounds, Size -- 13.6 Dmg
OOE w/ +d3A, rr hits, rr wounds -- 15.2 dmg

T7 3+/4++:
Tyrant w/ +2d3A, SHB, rr wounds -- 9.94 Dmg
Tyrant w/ +2d3A, SHB, rr wounds, Size -- 18.6 Dmg
OOE w/ +d3A, rr hits, rr wounds -- 16.6 dmg

T6 3+/4++:
Tyrant w/ +2d3A, SHB, rr wounds -- 13.6 Dmg
Tyrant w/ +2d3A, SHB, rr wounds, Size -- 22.1 Dmg
OOE w/ +d3A, rr hits, rr wounds -- 16.6 dmg

Jan 23, 2022 18:33:28 GMT angrypomeranian said:

How long GW will be nerfing dima?Till it become unplayable?20 points every cha?

Still is perfectly playable as a 1 of, but difficult to run 3 of them and can't hide them behind Barbed Dules for TTL. They once again are appropriately priced I think (similar to the changes last year).

Are you adding in the WLT gestalt commander for +1 damage on 6s to wound AND toxin sacs?

[kazetanade]

Yea I wouldn't either tbh, so that's perfectly fine.

If you take OOE instead of Haruspex, and have no other melee monsters to Sling, u can get by with just +d3A and 4++, then just smite after OOE dies.

The damage potential is there, but like I said, that's literally all OOE brings to the table. T7 9W 4++ 5+++ isn't going to fall over, but it isn't going to survive a combat phase vs dedicated. I only survived because 6s to wound and 4s to wound on the big stuff - although I suppose you could Transhuman for OOE for 1cp.

Ngl, my Haruspex won my game just by staying alive. Although, if he had just killed it outright, that might not have been an issue on the first place. But still, 155 vs 220 is big. I guess if you can find the points somewhere.

I guess its worth a try?