In new ChA hiveguards go up 5 points.

[mrdodo]

So raveners good now that their weapons are free? Or do you guys think its a typo?

[swarm492]

I kinda feel these points changes are just a ....mehh white wash. After seeing what fire warriors bring for 8pnt and kroot for 6pnt I think a new codex is what is needed.

Point changes aren't going to fix the problems we have

[bolk]

Jan 22, 2022 10:57:15 GMT terminatoruk said:

Gutted that there was no Carnifex or loadout (venom cannon) decreases for them :-(

I agree, this Manual release seems like a waste of time in general. They don't seem to have looked at the units that don't see play at all. Sure, Tyrannofexes hasn't been around much, but Exocrines and Haruspexes (yes, really) has. Carnifexes, and Stonecrushers in particular, could really have used a points drop.

[bolk]

Jan 22, 2022 12:25:30 GMT mrdodo said:

So raveners good now that their weapons are free? Or do you guys think its a typo?

Would be awesome, but strange when Warriors still need to pay for weapons.

[Master Chief]

Any other changes to our infantry?

[Phelddagrif]

Oh no!
*Takes out 2 warriors from the list*
Anyway

[draaen]

I saw a lot of monsters changing in points and was hoping the toxicrene went down. Alas no such luck.

I do find it interessting that the points difference between a majority of our big bugs in the codex is like 10 points from. 150-160.

[Bohxim]

From what I see, lists running a unit of HG and 2 exocrine wouldn't matter too much. The point increase of the HG is almost offset by the point decrease of the 2 exos. The dima increases hurt tho

[purestrain]

Jan 22, 2022 16:35:23 GMT Bohxim said:

From what I see, lists running a unit of HG and 2 exocrine wouldn't matter too much. The point increase of the HG is almost offset by the point decrease of the 2 exos. The dima increases hurt tho

Dimas dont win tournaments, barbed heriodule do.

LordPathos Can you fit three Fleshborer hives into a list now?

[hivefleetkaiju]

Jan 20, 2022 16:11:26 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

Jan 20, 2022 15:34:08 GMT angrypomeranian said:

And dreadknight go to 10 point in the same ChA...your thoughts?Is HG dead now? :<

Got a link to the leaks? I'd love to see what's happening with other nid models and GSC.

5ppm increase feels fair for hive guard. It's a minor increase that will only be felt if you're running large numbers. It's not fun to play against 18 of them and the game has shifted to having more terrain (making them more valuable due to ignore line of sight). The other option would have been to decrease the base cost, set shock cannons to a 0 cost, and increase the cost of impaler cannons (which are much better in the current meta).

I think it’s unfair to increase the base cost as shock cannons don’t deserve point increase
Should increase impaler cannons point cost instead

[acehilator]

Dimas did win tournaments in record numbers. They were picked over both types of 'Dules by a fair margin.

[Kyokii]

Jan 21, 2022 23:00:09 GMT purestrain said:

Jan 21, 2022 22:24:55 GMT Kyokii said:

Fortifications are allowed within 3" of terrain again, will this bring back sporocysts? They can't sit in objectives still, but I missed their move blocking abilities. Alinhavent checked, but they'd also get 5++ from CS, yeah?

No they aren't, it specifically states that if you cant fit one, you remove a piece of terrain in your own deployment zone, if it still cant fit, the model is destroyed

That's depressing.

[niiai]

Maybe I don't know hwo to use dimas but they cost so much and are T7. While I don't want them to be T8 based on the model, that T7 is very exspensive now.

I guess I can lay of finishing that kitbash. Luckaly I am also kitbashing a barbed h.

[piersonsmuppet]

Jan 22, 2022 16:37:47 GMT purestrain said:

Dimas dont win tournaments, barbed heriodule do.

Dima's applied the early pressure that let CS lists coast to a Victory on Dules/HG and Barbed was good for scoring TTL. Now Dimas are up 25 pts, give up another VP to BiD, and make TTL harder to score 10/15 on. The hit to CS lists running Dima's is pretty significant that overall results will see a drop. Sure, Barbed Dule lists will still perform well, but I think those are more meta dependent for performance.

HG ppm instead of impaler only makes sense, shock cannons backed by a Tervigon's rr 1/2's is waiting to break a vehicle heavy meta. This makes it a little less easy to do.

Also, goonhammer has Haruspex/Tyrannofex at only -10 pts. Thier article doesn't mention free ravener weapons, so I'm more inclined to believe it.

[bigpig]

Jan 22, 2022 21:09:09 GMT piersonsmuppet said:

Jan 22, 2022 16:37:47 GMT purestrain said:

Dimas dont win tournaments, barbed heriodule do.

Dima's applied the early pressure that let CS lists coast to a Victory on Dules/HG and Barbed was good for scoring TTL. Now Dimas are up 25 pts, give up another VP to BiD, and make TTL harder to score 10/15 on. The hit to CS lists running Dima's is pretty significant that overall results will see a drop. Sure, Barbed Dule lists will still perform well, but I think those are more meta dependent for performance.

HG ppm instead of impaler only makes sense, shock cannons backed by a Tervigon's rr 1/2's is waiting to break a vehicle heavy meta. This makes it a little less easy to do.

Also, goonhammer has Haruspex/Tyrannofex at only -10 pts. Thier article doesn't mention free ravener weapons, so I'm more inclined to believe it.

The other his is that Dima didn't occupy a Heavy slot. Heavies fill up fast in CS list and losing this option outside that role makes choices slimmer. Haruspex going down may become an option, but not sold