Crusher Stampede notable win.

[Freeman]

Hi, just tested my list out against probably our clubs top player. He’s currently world number one ranked Tau player in the ITC and was using his current top list.

I took a Crusher stampede list based off the list I ran for the majority of last year, but with all the new tricks.

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [35 PL, 690pts, 9CP] ++
Army of Renown - Crusher Stampede
Hive Fleet: Leviathan

+ Stratagems +

Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact
Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Malanthrope [8 PL, 150pts, -1CP]: Relic: Adaptive Neural Lobe, Stratagem: Alpha Leader-Beast, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Strategic Adaptation, Warlord Trait: Swarm Leader

Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Barrier, Relic: The Void Crown

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 78pts]: Adrenal Glands, Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Scything Talons

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]
. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon

Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Raveners [3 PL, 60pts]
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons

++ Spearhead Detachment -3CP (Tyranids) [68 PL, 1,310pts, -3CP] ++
Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]
Hive Fleet: Leviathan

+ HQ +

The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Power: Aggressive Surge, Power: Infused Energies, Power: Smite

+ Elites +

Maleceptor [10 PL, 185pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Smite, Synaptic Link: Focal Essence

+ Heavy Support +

Barbed Hierodule [14 PL, 275pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis

Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Toxin Spike

Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Biostatic Rattle

Tyrannofex [9 PL, 180pts]: Acid Spray, Adrenal Glands

Tyrannofex [9 PL, 180pts]: Acid Spray, Adrenal Glands

++ Total: [103 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

I played very cagey (as I normally do) knowing that in all likelihood we’d both score highly, so I didn’t need to rush into a bad situation.

I took Warp Ritual, ROD and stranglehold. I managed 12, 12, 15, respectively, which after maxing primary gave me a 94-89 win.

Honestly my opponent made a big mistake leaving me an opportunity to get a Mawloc onto his objective leaving him only getting one objective turn 2 which cost him 4 points.

Other than that it was a really good tight game, where we both thought it could go either way until the final turns.

When you get one of our big T8 monsters sat on an objective with a 4++ and Catalyst they’re incredible. Took one wound from a full shooting phase. I did roll super well, but the potentials there.

I’ve got a good size/standard local GT this weekend so I’m super pumped to see how I get on.

[niiai]

That is a fresh take on the list.

I saw tactical toroyse yotubers/twitcher stream his list today VS GK. He lost all faith in crusher stampede, and in nids in geleral. He has been doing very well with harridan lists. But I guess he was tired of bashing his head against a wall.

I find your list interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

What did you use the swarmlord for in the list? I'm not seeing much melee so I'm curious as to what swarmy adds.

[purestrain]

Jan 4, 2022 0:11:02 GMT Freeman said:

Hi, just tested my list out against probably our clubs top player. He’s currently world number one ranked Tau player in the ITC and was using his current top list.

I took a Crusher stampede list based off the list I ran for the majority of last year, but with all the new tricks.

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Tyranids) [35 PL, 690pts, 9CP] ++
Army of Renown - Crusher Stampede
Hive Fleet: Leviathan

+ Stratagems +

Bounty of the Hive Fleet [-1CP]: 1 Extra Bio-artefact
Progeny of the Hive [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Malanthrope [8 PL, 150pts, -1CP]: Relic: Adaptive Neural Lobe, Stratagem: Alpha Leader-Beast, Warlord, Warlord Trait: Strategic Adaptation, Warlord Trait: Swarm Leader

Neurothrope [5 PL, 95pts]: Power: Smite, Power: Synaptic Barrier, Relic: The Void Crown

+ Troops +

Tyranid Warriors [5 PL, 78pts]: Adrenal Glands, Synaptic Link: Bioweapon Bond
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Scything Talons
. Tyranid Warrior: Boneswords, Scything Talons

+ Elites +

Hive Guard [12 PL, 270pts]
. 6x Hive Guard (Impaler): 6x Impaler Cannon

Lictor [2 PL, 37pts]

+ Fast Attack +

Raveners [3 PL, 60pts]
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons
. Ravener: 2x Scything Talons

++ Spearhead Detachment -3CP (Tyranids) [68 PL, 1,310pts, -3CP] ++
Detachment Command Cost [-3CP]
Hive Fleet: Leviathan

+ HQ +

The Swarmlord [14 PL, 240pts]: Power: Aggressive Surge, Power: Infused Energies, Power: Smite

+ Elites +

Maleceptor [10 PL, 185pts]: Power: Catalyst, Power: Smite, Synaptic Link: Focal Essence

+ Heavy Support +

Barbed Hierodule [14 PL, 275pts]
. Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis

Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Toxin Spike

Mawloc [6 PL, 125pts]: Biostatic Rattle

Tyrannofex [9 PL, 180pts]: Acid Spray, Adrenal Glands

Tyrannofex [9 PL, 180pts]: Acid Spray, Adrenal Glands

++ Total: [103 PL, 6CP, 2,000pts] ++

I played very cagey (as I normally do) knowing that in all likelihood we’d both score highly, so I didn’t need to rush into a bad situation.

I took Warp Ritual, ROD and stranglehold. I managed 12, 12, 15, respectively, which after maxing primary gave me a 94-89 win.

Honestly my opponent made a big mistake leaving me an opportunity to get a Mawloc onto his objective leaving him only getting one objective turn 2 which cost him 4 points.

Other than that it was a really good tight game, where we both thought it could go either way until the final turns.

When you get one of our big T8 monsters sat on an objective with a 4++ and Catalyst they’re incredible. Took one wound from a full shooting phase. I did roll super well, but the potentials there.

I’ve got a good size/standard local GT this weekend so I’m super pumped to see how I get on.

He made a mistake and doesn't have the new railgun. I wouldn't ever expect to beat him again.

[Freeman]

Jan 4, 2022 1:16:11 GMT hivefleetkerrigan said:

What did you use the swarmlord for in the list? I'm not seeing much melee so I'm curious as to what swarmy adds.

His hive commander ability is still pretty massive. Just getting the big boys into the midfield objectives is a pain without him. Admittedly he didn’t do loads in this game, but he definitely did some area denial and kept the Hive guard safe.

In other games I see him helping with movement early doors, then being a reasonably self contained missile in the later turns. In a match up where the opponent is more aggressively coming to me.

[Freeman]

Jan 4, 2022 1:56:22 GMT purestrain said:

He made a mistake and doesn't have the new railgun. I wouldn't ever expect to beat him again.

I’d certainly agree that him playing differently and using a different list from a unreleased codex could effect the outcome.

Don’t get too caught up in the Hammerhead hype. Their points could easily be North of 200pts (they’re close to that now without a good gun) and they still need LOS and die to Hive Guard if you go first. They might really hurt one monster if you’re going second, but then it still dies in return, assuming it’s chassis stays similiar.

[infornography]

Jan 4, 2022 7:24:35 GMT Freeman said:

Don’t get too caught up in the Hammerhead hype. Their points could easily be North of 200pts (they’re close to that now without a good gun) and they still need LOS and die to Hive Guard if you go first. They might really hurt one monster if you’re going second, but then it still dies in return, assuming it’s chassis stays similiar.

First, the new railgun's range means those things will be positioned as far back as possible making it so hive guard will have to move, possibly quite a bit, just to get into range.

Second, LOS blocking for the primary targets of those rail guns varies from extremely challenging to impossible.

Third, it is cute that you think there would only be one at the bargain price of just north of 200 points. Unless these things cost north of 300 points I would expect to see three per Tau list, and even then there might still be three. The gun is JUST THAT GOOD!

Fourth, we are not talking 'Really hurt one monster' we are talking about making 2 to 3 monsters, vehicles, or titans dead or irrelevant due to their wound bracket every turn these things remain, which will probably be at least two full turns of shooting due to how far back they are placed.

Keep in mind these guns do a MINIMUM of 10 wounds if they hit and have an extremely HIGH likelihood to hit. They ignore armor and invuln. And we can only put Catalyst on one monster per turn. If you think you can hide all your monsters first turn you are either fielding an absurd quantity of oddly solid and tall walls or delusional.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

^
This. If the gun did not ignore invuls it might be balanced. As it stands it can one shot a hive tyrant a third of the time it wounds. That's just flat out broken.

[No One]

It's stupid, not 300 pts broken by a long shot (unless there's crazy buffs that work on it, but then that's more an issue of crazy buffs). Saying it can one shot something a third of the time, cool. It mightn't even wound more than ~40% of the time. Which don't get me wrong, 60% of essentially taking a flyrant out of the game with no saves is blegh, but...well, other units can do this. The comparison I've seen is it's ~~the same as sisters melta, depending on invul, and sisters melta is more flexible in targets: squishier and arguably harder to line up targets, but also ~140 pts. So...yeah, I'm not even sure if it's good at 200 pts, just a stupid coinflip.

[purestrain]

Jan 4, 2022 16:16:05 GMT No One said:

It's stupid, not 300 pts broken by a long shot (unless there's crazy buffs that work on it, but then that's more an issue of crazy buffs). Saying it can one shot something a third of the time, cool. It mightn't even wound more than ~40% of the time. Which don't get me wrong, 60% of essentially taking a flyrant out of the game with no saves is blegh, but...well, other units can do this. The comparison I've seen is it's ~~the same as sisters melta, depending on invul, and sisters melta is more flexible in targets: squishier and arguably harder to line up targets, but also ~140 pts. So...yeah, I'm not even sure if it's good at 200 pts, just a stupid coinflip.

reroll hit and 1 cp to reroll the wound on a gun that WILL kill anything just south of 12w is ridiculous, and by admission, its not even their most powerful weapon.

[hivefleetkerrigan]

According to the GW article, they can bring equipment for a free reroll so that increases the probability of one shotting something significantly. Without modifiers I'm getting about a 74% chance that the railgun will wound prior for each shot of the reroll is factored in.

Note: we also don't know what market light or drones will do for targeting.

The railgun feels broken and is definitely going to lead to a lot of feel bad situations on the table.

[infornography]

Jan 4, 2022 16:16:05 GMT No One said:

It's stupid, not 300 pts broken by a long shot (unless there's crazy buffs that work on it, but then that's more an issue of crazy buffs). Saying it can one shot something a third of the time, cool. It mightn't even wound more than ~40% of the time. Which don't get me wrong, 60% of essentially taking a flyrant out of the game with no saves is blegh, but...well, other units can do this. The comparison I've seen is it's ~~the same as sisters melta, depending on invul, and sisters melta is more flexible in targets: squishier and arguably harder to line up targets, but also ~140 pts. So...yeah, I'm not even sure if it's good at 200 pts, just a stupid coinflip.

It isn't 60/40 does something, does nothing though.
It is something like 3/65/32 does nothing/kills outright/Wounds to the last health bracket anything with 12 wounds that cannot hide. Catalyst makes those numbers less favorable, but again you can only put that on one unit. If he aims these at your other monsters you are losing large swaths of your army's effectiveness every turn.
Wounding to the last health bracket is not the same as doing nothing, especially with how our monsters degrade.

Really the only ways I can see there NOT being three of these things in any comp list is if the codex explicitly denies more than one or something or if there is something even MORE broken in there. I don't like being alarmist and I fully expect that after Tau start dominating for a hot minute nerfs will be fast and excessive if history is any guide. But when it first drops, this is going to be ugly. As bad as things are for Nids with this gun, I really feel for the guys running Titanicus lists.

[purestrain]

Jan 4, 2022 16:56:34 GMT infornography said:

Jan 4, 2022 16:16:05 GMT No One said:

It's stupid, not 300 pts broken by a long shot (unless there's crazy buffs that work on it, but then that's more an issue of crazy buffs). Saying it can one shot something a third of the time, cool. It mightn't even wound more than ~40% of the time. Which don't get me wrong, 60% of essentially taking a flyrant out of the game with no saves is blegh, but...well, other units can do this. The comparison I've seen is it's ~~the same as sisters melta, depending on invul, and sisters melta is more flexible in targets: squishier and arguably harder to line up targets, but also ~140 pts. So...yeah, I'm not even sure if it's good at 200 pts, just a stupid coinflip.

It isn't 60/40 does something, does nothing though.
It is something like 3/65/32 does nothing/kills outright/Wounds to the last health bracket anything with 12 wounds that cannot hide. Catalyst makes those numbers less favorable, but again you can only put that on one unit. If he aims these at your other monsters you are losing large swaths of your army's effectiveness every turn.
Wounding to the last health bracket is not the same as doing nothing, especially with how our monsters degrade.

Really the only ways I can see there NOT being three of these things in any comp list is if the codex explicitly denies more than one or something or if there is something even MORE broken in there. I don't like being alarmist and I fully expect that after Tau start dominating for a hot minute nerfs will be fast and excessive if history is any guide. But when it first drops, this is going to be ugly. As bad as things are for Nids with this gun, I really feel for the guys running Titanicus lists.

Yeah, knights just got a bit of a bump, and now got another slap in the face.
The only saving grace combo we have is t8 saturation so its 3+ instead of 2+ to wound (depending on longstrike aura of course) and the transhuman in crusher stampede, but then you just shoot something else and laugh as noted.

*sad bug noises*

[niiai]

Not to be a party pooper, but can we discuss the hammerhead rail gun somewhere else? Anywhere else? There are to many unknown factors about the hammerhead. Perhaps most importantly what it will cost! The new Tau codex will come. With rules and points, any speculation about it will be useless.

I would like this thread to focus on the fact that a crusher stampede list actually worked.

[purestrain]

Jan 4, 2022 17:14:05 GMT niiai said:

Not to be a party pooper, but can we discuss the hammerhead rail gun somewhere else? Anywhere else? There are to many unknown factors about the hammerhead. Perhaps most importantly what it will cost! The new Tau codex will come. With rules and points, any speculation about it will be useless.

I would like this thread to focus on the fact that a crusher stampede list actually worked.

it barely won against a early 8th codex, thats not a good standing.

It is, By its existence THE reason to think this will not happen again. speaking of the ups and downs of the situation isn't a bad thing.