Nids take 4th at GT Event | Objective Secured Perth GT

[tylertt]

Full details here:
www.goonhammer.com/competitive-innovations-in-9th-objective-secured-perth-gt/?fbclid=IwAR16KiUVKUHm7vB_iAl2lihVovYYXh5A1-us8Kg1xVednc9mBQ5nzaIkKnU

He had this to say about the list on Reddit:

"Was a lot of fun to play, been working through various hordes with gaunts, GSC acolytes and even brood brothers. Playing the big lads was quality.

Good pick up on the WL trait, having a bubble of ignore cover was quite important. When your spending 800 points on shooting monsters they need to do work. Even dropping the Devgaunts into range was an option. And yeah the two combined to be a great combo. The gaunts are actually pretty good at dropping big things, they average something like 15 wounds to the unkillable LOC, they drop keepers, they drop marines. In one game they dropped 10 shining spears in a turn.

Maleceptor was fantastic in a few games and okay in the rest. Changing the math on melta is extremely important (turns out ork buggies also hate it) and let’s the lads survive to do work. Vs Necrons it just did Mental Interrogation most turns. It’s survivable enough that mid game it can start getting onto an objective and smiting/melee to try clear.

Swarmy was the same, clutch in some games and just good in the others. Won my the Custodes game with a bottom of 5 triple move on gaunts to secure a 15 primary in a one point win. The list wants to stay compact early on, so being able to spread quickly in the mid game is important."


Tyranid Battalion – Hive Fleet Jormungandr

HQ

The Swarmlord w/ Powers: Catalyst, Onslaught
Malanthrope w/ Warlord, WT: Insidious Threat, Relic: The Ymgarl Factor

Troops

30 Termagaunts w/ Devourers
3 Tyranid Warriors w/ 2 Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands
3 Tyranid Warriors w/ 2 Scything Talons, Adrenal Glands
10 Hormagaunts
3 Ripper Swarms

Elites

Maleceptor w/ Power: Lurking Maws
Lictor
Lictor
Lictor

Fast Attack

3 Raveners w/ 2 Scything Talons

Heavy Support

Barbed Heirodule w/ Adaptive Physiology: Dermic Symbiosis (Progeny of the Hive -1 CP)

Barbed Heiordule

Barbed Heiordule

Total Points: 2000
Starting CP: 11

[No One]

tylertt said:

Vs Necrons it just did Mental Interrogation most turns.

...Woops. Can't psychic action with non Chars.

[nidzy]

I have played a similar list without the devil gants and I think they might be the sauce it was missing. The point change really helps a lot in making them trade well.

[kazetanade]

Ignore cover bubble = jorm, so Gaunts get reroll to hit on the drop on a specific target. More effective against LOCs than Marines though.


I question "drops marines" statement though. 20 gaunts shooting used to drop 5 old marines without cover. 30 would do 7-8W which is less than 100pts of damage using nearly 300pts.

[timcz]

Jeezuz 3 barbed Hierodules. As I was going down the list I was thinking “cool I could make this list” and then had to stop at the first one lol

[timcz]

Are you able to link the reddit thread also?

[tylertt]

I'll see if I can get it. A friend of mine shared everything I first posted.

[beetlejuice]

Jan 20, 2021 23:39:07 GMT tylertt said:

Swarmy was the same, clutch in some games and just good in the others. Won my the Custodes game with a bottom of 5 triple move on gaunts to secure a 15

What does he mean triple move? If you metabolic you can’t shoot so then you surely can’t hive commander to move instead of shooting, or am I missing something? I thought you could only triple move with hive commander + overrun

[No One]

You can do things 'instead of shooting' even if you can't shoot.

[beetlejuice]

Jan 21, 2021 12:17:47 GMT No One said:

You can do things 'instead of shooting' even if you can't shoot.

I’ll be happy to agree but is this actually specified somewhere? Or more a case of not explicitly prohibited so therefor it’s allowed?

Edit: so I can defend myself when my opponent calls me on it

[acehilator]

Jan 21, 2021 9:23:52 GMT timcz said:

Are you able to link the reddit thread also?

www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/l18twj/competitive_innovations_in_9th_objective_secured/

[No One]

beetlejuice said:

I’ll be happy to agree but is this actually specified somewhere? Or more a case of not explicitly prohibited so therefor it’s allowed?

Edit: so I can defend myself when my opponent calls me on it

The rare rule's more explicit than I remember. But you very definitely don't need to be able to shoot to do so.

NON-SHOOTING ABILITIES
Some models and units have abilities that can be used
instead of shooting with that model or unit. Such abilities
can only be used in your Shooting phase, but can be
used even if your unit has no ranged weapons, or if it
Advanced or Fell Back this turn, and such abilities can be
used even while the unit is within Engagement Range of
any enemy units.

[acehilator]

Jan 21, 2021 8:15:20 GMT kazetanade said:

Ignore cover bubble = jorm, so Gaunts get reroll to hit on the drop on a specific target. More effective against LOCs than Marines though.


I question "drops marines" statement though. 20 gaunts shooting used to drop 5 old marines without cover. 30 would do 7-8W which is less than 100pts of damage using nearly 300pts.

30 Devgants is "only" 210 now. He wasn't using HG, so SMA is a given.

vs MEQ:

180 shots

90 hits

52.5 wounds

17.5 damage

So 210 points + 2 CP deals 175 points of damage. Not bad.

If Lurking Maws goes off, it's getting hardcore:

vs MEQ

180 shots

135 hits

73.75 wounds

24.58 damage

246 points of damage. So even against SM lists these guys will be able to contribute.

But killing Marines is obviously not why they are in the list. With Lurking Maws the damage output vs stuff with lesser defensive statlines than MEQ is terrifying. The biggest problem is placing the unit in a way that it can reach enough targets. I mean GEQ is not a relevant statline atm, but 60 damage against that is just lol.

[zimko]

Ravaners will let you deploy them where you want them. He said he stays clustered at the start of the game. So on turn 2, he can make a pocket near the hierodules to deploy the devgants.

[harryharuspex]

Jan 21, 2021 14:24:25 GMT acehilator said:

Jan 21, 2021 8:15:20 GMT kazetanade said:

Ignore cover bubble = jorm, so Gaunts get reroll to hit on the drop on a specific target. More effective against LOCs than Marines though.


I question "drops marines" statement though. 20 gaunts shooting used to drop 5 old marines without cover. 30 would do 7-8W which is less than 100pts of damage using nearly 300pts.

30 Devgants is "only" 210 now. He wasn't using HG, so SMA is a given.

vs MEQ:

180 shots

90 hits

52.5 wounds

17.5 damage

So 210 points + 2 CP deals 175 points of damage. Not bad.

If Lurking Maws goes off, it's getting hardcore:

vs MEQ

180 shots

135 hits

73.75 wounds

24.58 damage

246 points of damage. So even against SM lists these guys will be able to contribute.

But killing Marines is obviously not why they are in the list. With Lurking Maws the damage output vs stuff with lesser defensive statlines than MEQ is terrifying. The biggest problem is placing the unit in a way that it can reach enough targets. I mean GEQ is not a relevant statline atm, but 60 damage against that is just lol.

Man, thanks for actually mathhammering this. My priors were agreeing with the other dude about Devilgants being worthless still against Marines, but that actually stacks up incredibly well (and like you said. that's basically the worst case, it only gets better as the armor saves get worse). I'll have to give them a go sometime, it's been a long time since I've run mine.