Dimachaeron 2000pt competitive

[zedan]

I've played about half a dozen games with this list. Any feedback is appreciated to shore up any weaknesses you guys see.

Kraken Battalion
Swarmlord
Neurothrope warlord resonance barb
Neurothrope
10 termagants
10 termagants
3 rippers
3 rippers
Lictor
Lictor
Dimacheron
Dimacheron
Dimacheron

Kronos Battalion
Neurothrope
3 rippers
6 hiveguard (ignore ap1 and ap2)
Exocrine (5++)



I have to say Dimacheron are actually insane lol. Being able to field one competitively is great so why not 3! Things I think I'll struggle with is hordes which I havent fought yet, but I am not seeing alot of those in the meta currently..

[zimko]

You could swap the extra neurothrope for Venomthropes to give you a little first turn protection and to provide an extra back-field infantry for scramblers or just camping an objective. Other than that, it's a pretty efficient list.

[beetlejuice]

Your could always go 2 dima and 1 scythed hierodule to get some flamer action vs hordes (get the points from dropping the neuro).

[zedan]

Nov 23, 2020 14:57:53 GMT zimko said:

You could swap the extra neurothrope for Venomthropes to give you a little first turn protection and to provide an extra back-field infantry for scramblers or just camping an objective. Other than that, it's a pretty efficient list.

Honestly, that's a solid suggestion. The extra Neurothrope was because who doesn't love smite, and I casted the horror. Now I can just have everything be -1 to hit first turn and scramble with them. Thanks!

[zedan]

Nov 23, 2020 15:48:34 GMT beetlejuice said:

Your could always go 2 dima and 1 scythed hierodule to get some flamer action vs hordes (get the points from dropping the neuro).

In my test games so far the scythed heirodule gets bogged down without leaper killer. And he needs an adaptation to function. Also he wants to use the exocrines +1dmg strat. I did initially start with him though with the exact thoughts you had sadly he just got the cut.

[hiveoverall]

I say no to venoms, I say second neuro becomes a malanthrope, so you can 100% (even in the face of indirect fire, which will whittle the venoms down to 2, at which point they wont protect the big bugs anymore) keep the -1 to hit on the 3 Dimas.

Scrap the 2nd neuro, and find more 55 points to get rid of. Push the triple dima as much as you can. Otrherwise i love your list

[zimko]

He doesn't really have a spare 55 points unless you want to give up on getting scramblers by reducing the termagants to rippers and removing a Lictor. That's too much to give up in my opinion. Scramblers would be impossible and he'd have a hard time finding a decent secondary to replace it.

[zedan]

Nov 23, 2020 18:06:41 GMT zimko said:

He doesn't really have a spare 55 points unless you want to give up on getting scramblers by reducing the termagants to rippers and removing a Lictor. That's too much to give up in my opinion. Scramblers would be impossible and he'd have a hard time finding a decent secondary to replace it.

Yeah you are right. I messed with it a bit at lunch, but I cant fit a malanthrope and still deploy scramblers reliably. Plus if they shoot the venomthropes its not the end of the world

[zimko]

Correct. It's more protection on turn 1 than you currently have, without losing anything more than a smite.

[hiveoverall]

It is true that isn’t 55 points at all to spare, not if you want the list to keep working as intended. So 3 venoms instead of a neuro it is then. Anyway not everyone has indirect fire capable of knocking down a venomthrop. They will provide more utility than a neuro for sure.

[cmob208]

How have the half dozen games gone? I second the suggestion to switch one Dma to a scythed hierodule for anti horde.

[zedan]

Nov 26, 2020 0:37:58 GMT cmob208 said:

How have the half dozen games gone? I second the suggestion to switch one Dma to a scythed hierodule for anti horde.

Great, just one lost game so far verse deathguard. He was running 9 blight haulers couldn't crack them fast enough with the invulns and fnp. Slinging Dimachaeron with swarmlord has proved troublesome for opponents so far. Beating sisters necrons marines and tau

[kazetanade]

It's a very efficient toolbox list - you sjoudl be able to face down 75-80% of your games with reasonable if not advantageous chances.

I'm not a fan of the venom, and think you can use that 90pts++ and beef up one of the Termagants units so that you have a blocker Sling available to you too, as a utility pick. But venoms do work fine (they just clash with dense terrain, and my meta plays with much more dense than obscured).

The only other toolbox pick you MIGHT want is a Broodlord, just as a reasonably priced suicide bomber that fights twice on death.

Other than that, all set and good to go. Go harvest some biomass.

[hiveoverall]

Dec 5, 2020 5:25:22 GMT kazetanade said:

It's a very efficient toolbox list - you sjoudl be able to face down 75-80% of your games with reasonable if not advantageous chances.

I'm not a fan of the venom, and think you can use that 90pts++ and beef up one of the Termagants units so that you have a blocker Sling available to you too, as a utility pick. But venoms do work fine (they just clash with dense terrain, and my meta plays with much more dense than obscured).

The only other toolbox pick you MIGHT want is a Broodlord, just as a reasonably priced suicide bomber that fights twice on death.

Other than that, all set and good to go. Go harvest some biomass.

The 3 dimas need the venoms and don’t benefit from dense terrain, so unless you have huge ruins or something totally obscuring the dimas, I think you need the venoms to ensure you don’t take too much of a hit when going second.

Though I would love to hear the OPs feedback on how his dimas survive without the venoms (the list doesn’t have any, though 5e OP said he might switch a neuro for 3 venoms)

[zedan]

Dec 5, 2020 9:14:19 GMT hiveoverall said:

Dec 5, 2020 5:25:22 GMT kazetanade said:

It's a very efficient toolbox list - you sjoudl be able to face down 75-80% of your games with reasonable if not advantageous chances.

I'm not a fan of the venom, and think you can use that 90pts++ and beef up one of the Termagants units so that you have a blocker Sling available to you too, as a utility pick. But venoms do work fine (they just clash with dense terrain, and my meta plays with much more dense than obscured).

The only other toolbox pick you MIGHT want is a Broodlord, just as a reasonably priced suicide bomber that fights twice on death.

Other than that, all set and good to go. Go harvest some biomass.

The 3 dimas need the venoms and don’t benefit from dense terrain, so unless you have huge ruins or something totally obscuring the dimas, I think you need the venoms to ensure you don’t take too much of a hit when going second.

Though I would love to hear the OPs feedback on how his dimas survive without the venoms (the list doesn’t have any, though 5e OP said he might switch a neuro for 3 venoms)

Dimachaeron survive on their speed alone. Counter deploy them away from threats and in back corners they can move an obscene distance and charge. I've played 2 games with venomthropes(and changed the hiveguard to a barbed heirodule). Dislike the venomthropes as they have been dead scrambler weight. Currently looking what to fill 100pts with in this iteration

Kraken batallion
Swarmy
Neurothrope res barb onslaught
10 gants
10 gants
3 rippers
Lictor
Lictor
4 zoans
4 zoans
Dimachaeron
Dimachaeron
Dimachaeron murderous size
Barbed heirodule 5++

No one targets the zoans so they just as effective as their 5 man unit counterparts. No double shoot unit but flat 3dmg on barbed is great and then all the other cp(starting with 11) goes into dimachaeron rerolling wounds, fight twice overrun etc

Have beat space wolves and deathwatch in 2 games. Just to reiterate Dimachaeron are incredible lol