Vs. Orks 8.0

[yoritomo]

8th edition is here and with it comes the new iteration of the Vs. Orks thread.

The intent of this thread is to gather all the questions, advice, tactics, and general knowledge regarding Orks. It is our hope that the serious discussion in this thread will help you achieve victory in your future games. If you are new then please feel free to ask a question. If you're a veteran then leave your impression or ideas on how to beat Orks. The more input we have the better we get as a community.

On an administrative note: as this is a focused discussion, the moderators reserve the right to remove off topic posts without warning.

[stonehorse]

So far played two games against Orks in 8th edition. First game was against a mechanised Ork forces this was quite easy to deal with. Thanks to the changes to the wound chart, and tying the battlewagon and truks up in combat with fast moving units.

The second game was against a horde Ork army.

Utter defeat, a mob of 30 boys with slugers, Choppers, 2 big shooters, Rokkit Launcher plus a non with power klaw wiped out a unit of 30 Hormagaunts, and 2 units of 9 Tyranid Warriors. They are fast and deadly. My advise is to avoid them, they can outfight pretty much everything we can throw at them, and are near enough impossible to tie up.

I can see them being a big problem as long as they retain the extra attack bonus for being 20 models rule, I honestly think that is what is causing them to hit far above their weight.

Has anyone found a good way to deal or at least counter them?

[bansh]

Lehman russ with 3 heavy flamers works a treat....3 of them is amazing

[bansh]

Orks are better at melee than nids.
Orks are cheaper than nids....
We have better bs than orks.....

But seriously, shoot choppy orks
Chop shooty orks and try to stay away from the rest....especially gorn and morkanaughts

[Islands]

Horde Orks are definately the most difficult Ork army to beat. They are kind of easy to kill, but there is a lot of them and they don't flee because they can use LD of nearby Ork units (a 30man unit has LD 30 and units within 6'' can use their LD). If you find an isolated Ork unit that only has a single other Ork unit within 6'', Splitting fire between those two units can be a good idea to reduce LD and make them flee.

Blocking their movement with Biovore sporemines can help to slow them down.

[j4ckdan13l]

After 2 defeats against an horde ork army I wanna try this warrior list (a little tailore I admit  it)

HQ:

- Malanthrope  90 pt.
- Broodlord  162 pt. 
- Tyranid Prime  116 pt
 (Ds, hooks, LW&B, tox)

Troops:

- 20 x Genoraptor 240 pt.
- 9 x Warriros       327 pt.
 (3 x strang, 6 x ds, 9x BS, 9x hooks)
- 9 x Warriros      327 pt.

 (3 x strang, 6 x ds, 9x BS, 9x hooks)

Elites:

- 3 x Hive guard w/ impaler  144 pt.

Heavy:

- Exocrine 228 pt.

Fast attack:

- 1 x Mucolid ( just to screen exo and guards from DSing units)

Transports:

- Tyrannocite w/strang  173 pt. (empty)
- Tyrannocite w/strang  173 pt. (empty)

My plan is to barricade the whole army in my side forcing the orks to cross the whole field, bombing them as much as  possible before they reach me in CC.
The first line of geno will try to cover almost all other units, right behind the warriors with Prime and Broodlord, exocrine, guards and 2x tyrannocite in the backfield.

AFTER BATTLE

I thought to face a horde list I found instead a fully vehicle/transport list but it's gone fine anyway...
The luck was by my side, seizing iniziative and rolling absurdly lucky dies I have to admit it!

I played a little different from what I've planned (it was an huge mistake) thinking that deepstriking at 18" from enemy line with  18x warriors and 2x t-cyte would be a better idea against all those veichles (protected by genesteales with catalys in front of warriors)

Running with malanthrope, bloodlord and prime let all my troops buffed.

I really appreciated how warriors manages shooting and CC phase, the only weakness: they  die really easy with a simple  +4 save...

[ymgarl7]

I've had good effect with venomthropes against marines, and turning 5+ ork shooting into 6+ would be great. Did you think of trying sporocysts instead of the tyrranocytes? Granted they don't move, but they have the same guns for less, plop down before the first turn begins - and only costs 129 with the same weaponry and profile as the t-cyte. saves you 88 points, almost enough for the 3 venomthropes. Especially if you plan on castling up with the warriors instead of dropping them.

[ymgarl7]

Also, has anyone tried pyrovores against orks? My instinct is that they might be good, especially since they can advance and fire - but it seems like they would also potentially bait the orks into charging them, which could be a useful tactic too.

I was thinking of running three in Kraken to do a double advance (moving probably 15" with the 10" gun, good threat range for front line deployed orks, and even if I go second, with the proper deployment, I can still roast a bunch in overwatch)

[nackanid]

With the new codex and some leaked rules, there might be a good idea to get this thread going again!

Competitively, the devilgaunts hasn’t been performing that good by maybe against Orks they will shine again? Used termagunts a lot but mostly for screen. To sprinkle in some devilgaunt can be a good way to counter the green tide...? Venomthropes/Malanthrope is mandatory against Orks, their shooting is not to underestimate.

[sunshine]

I have got a few games in against the new ork codex. Early impression is Mek Guns with Traktor Kannons are something to be aware of. They aren’t as bad for us, because ‘nids typically don’t have vehicle flyers, but auto hitting s8 -2 d6 DAM guns with 48” range still pack a wollup.

Other than that, our tactics should be largely the same as ever against the green skins. I think tyranids are in a semi unique position to be ideally suited to taking on orks, with our plethora of anti infantry shooting weapons and our ability to get the charge off first most of the time(if playing smart).

I also think orks are going to have a strong effect on the meta, especially the frequency at which we see Knights in the competitive scene. Knights can’t kill that many boys, but that many boys(especially with the strategem to go to s5) WILL take down knights, quickly. This is good news for us, as we don’t always have the tools to deal with Knights, but as I said before we DEFINITELY have the tools to kill orks

[nackanid]

Nov 6, 2018 5:52:09 GMT sunshine said:

I have got a few games in against the new ork codex. Early impression is Mek Guns with Traktor Kannons are something to be aware of. They aren’t as bad for us, because ‘nids typically don’t have vehicle flyers, but auto hitting s8 -2 d6 DAM guns with 48” range still pack a wollup.

Other than that, our tactics should be largely the same as ever against the green skins. I think tyranids are in a semi unique position to be ideally suited to taking on orks, with our plethora of anti infantry shooting weapons and our ability to get the charge off first most of the time(if playing smart).

I also think orks are going to have a strong effect on the meta, especially the frequency at which we see Knights in the competitive scene. Knights can’t kill that many boys, but that many boys(especially with the strategem to go to s5) WILL take down knights, quickly. This is good news for us, as we don’t always have the tools to deal with Knights, but as I said before we DEFINITELY have the tools to kill orks

I'm pretty scared when I think about the meta post-orkcodex. Especially when I play swarm. The meta will shift to be more anti-infantery which is even worse then the Knights

[sunshine]

Nov 7, 2018 12:53:59 GMT nackanid said:

Nov 6, 2018 5:52:09 GMT sunshine said:

I have got a few games in against the new ork codex. Early impression is Mek Guns with Traktor Kannons are something to be aware of. They aren’t as bad for us, because ‘nids typically don’t have vehicle flyers, but auto hitting s8 -2 d6 DAM guns with 48” range still pack a wollup.

Other than that, our tactics should be largely the same as ever against the green skins. I think tyranids are in a semi unique position to be ideally suited to taking on orks, with our plethora of anti infantry shooting weapons and our ability to get the charge off first most of the time(if playing smart).

I also think orks are going to have a strong effect on the meta, especially the frequency at which we see Knights in the competitive scene. Knights can’t kill that many boys, but that many boys(especially with the strategem to go to s5) WILL take down knights, quickly. This is good news for us, as we don’t always have the tools to deal with Knights, but as I said before we DEFINITELY have the tools to kill orks

I'm pretty scared when I think about the meta post-orkcodex. Especially when I play swarm. The meta will shift to be more anti-infantery which is even worse then the Knights

Then we do the Mash, the Monster Mash!

[Hive Bahamut]

Sept 25, 2017 0:50:52 GMT bansh said:

Orks are better at melee than nids.
Orks are cheaper than nids....
We have better bs than orks.....

But seriously, shoot choppy orks
Chop shooty orks and try to stay away from the rest....especially gorn and morkanaughts

Swarmlord is better than Ghaz
All Gaunt strains are cheaper than Orkz
We have better WS and BS than Orkz
We have more weight of fire than Orkz
We have more AP in combat and shooting
Orkz move 5" Hivestrains move 8"
Mob Rule is inferior to fearless.

They look like a strong codex but nothing to fear for Nids. Our codex vomits anti infantry firepower, and even Brainleech become AT with Pathogenic against their T5/6 vehicles.

Orkz taking Knights out of the meta might actually put us back up too.

[afewveiws]

If the meta switches to anti-infantry guns then our monsters get alot more viable. Which is really nice since the random knight will be even better with the decrease of anti-tank which makes our monsters a good counter to the counter meta...

Fexes are about to get amazing again.
Welcome back 4th ed

[Hive Bahamut]

I think our Biovores just jumped back onto the useful pile. Orkz are going to be leveraging that Ramming Speed, and mines make stuff go around. From what I understand all the buggies are on Knight bases.

I'm curious about Lash Whips too, as the Ork fight 2x Stratagem can be immediately after, instead of waiting to the end. A Lashwhip will make them have to pile into that unit to attack again correct?