Vs. Imperial Knights v7.0

[eskimo]

I mean plus the Carnifexs people were assaulting in with. Difficult enough to get some Fex in, but hadn't seen it mentioned as a combo. Knight's are around I4 aren't they?

[gigasnail]

That'd mean your happy is on the ground 2 turns, not a great look.

[eskimo]

Well they're not going to be doing much versus a 3 knight list

[gigasnail]

A pair of them in skyblight in conjuction with 3 egrub flyrants works well.

[Jabberwocky]

Swooping harpies shouldn't be bad blockers at least.

[gigasnail]

^this. Can't emphasize how useful this is.

[ghostly70]

well warp lances in the back from zoathropes is what works best for me. you fly the tyrants at them and they pick side armor to avoid tyrants fire and then you lance them in the back

[gigasnail]

Remeber he changes ion shield facing during the shooting phase, you Lance during the psychic phase. Drop your thropes accordingly.

[Kark]

There is also a way of omitting IK's ion shield. Fly your tyrant to the spot where knight's facing lines crosses, so You are able to target his side and rear armor at once (remember that You can fire from any part of the model). In this case knight can position his ion shield either on side (You shoot at rear) or on rear (You shoot at side). I managed to destroy an IK in 1 turn with 2 flyrants. Just remember about his explosion!

[WestRider]

Apr 2, 2015 16:32:06 GMT Kark said:

There is also a way of omitting IK's ion shield. Fly your tyrant to the spot where knight's facing lines crosses, so You are able to target his side and rear armor at once (remember that You can fire from any part of the model). In this case knight can position his ion shield either on side (You shoot at rear) or on rear (You shoot at side). I managed to destroy an IK in 1 turn with 2 flyrants. Just remember about his explosion!

Depends on how it's house ruled. There are rules for how to resolve it when different Models in a single Unit are split between the arcs, but there isn't actually any rule on what to do when a single Model is on the line. Some places rule that you go by the center of the base, some places let you choose when shooting, as you describe, some places make you choose when you finish moving.

You can do the same thing with no questionable rules interactions if you get Onslaught, tho.

[Kark]

House rules have nothing to do with this. I can fire from any part of my model and that is official. So I can choose to fire from hand that is in rear arc or fire from leg that is in side arc. Same story with templates. I can place them from any part of my base, so the flamer hits either side or rear arc.

I don't have my rulebook right now, but this is written in drawing line of sight in shooting section if I remember correctly.

[WestRider]

Nope. That's the minimum standard for LoS, but there's nothing in there saying that you count the shot as coming from that one point on the shooting Model. I've got the book right here.

[Kark]

Maybe it is a matter of rules clarification, just like You said. My entire national leage runs by this rule and we use all rules that are valid in ETC format.

I shall check it and let You know.

[WestRider]

My point exactly: That's how it's been ruled in your environment. I haven't heard of any major groups playing it like that on this side of the pond.

[Jabberwocky]

Against rear you have double the chance to roll a glance/pen, so even with the shield you get the same results on average. The only reason to ever hit side would be with the ESG if the back was shielded and it's only marginally better outside of cover.

I also think it's a bit gamey to fire from a different part of the model in an attempt to mislead your opponent.