Vs. Imperial Guard v6.1

[yoritomo]

With a new tyranid codex come a new versus thread for Imperial Guard. The purpose of this thread is to discuss how our new codex can deal with this army in general. This is not a place to post army lists for review. This is a place to discuss what units work against the IG, what units we should watch out for, tactics and army builds we expect to see when playing tau, allies they usually take, and questions you might have before or after fighting an Imperial Guard opponent.

Fair warning, the versus threads will stay on topic at all times. The moderating staff reserves the right to move or delete any post they deem off topic, incoherent, flat out wrong, or confusing to read (i.e. out of context due to previous posts being removed). This is a serious discussion geared towards people who want to play better against the Imperial Guard, so let's act like it.

[yowster12]

I play in a really small group (IG Necrons Tau CSM and Orks) we never repeat a list because it's a more fun oriented group. But our local IG player dropped this list and it's been hell ever since: 2 manticores 2 Lemans 1 Griffon 2 chimeras with a comand squad or something with a melta and 2 infantry squads with a melta and and An aegis line for a 4+ cover for the vehicles.

It's only. 1005 pts and it's hell for my Nids I can get or proxy anything. How can I beat this?? It kills all my ground troops hides in the back and gets objectives in the end.

[tylertt]

Fliers will be a nightmare for this list, as will most MCs. A brood of Carnifexes can charge up the table easily with a combination of Venomthropes even. Biovores are the key to destroying his Aegis defence line Infantry hiding there. Since it is barrage, it goes from the centre of the blast and they would get no cover so long as it is on the same side as the target unit.

These two lists should be able to deal with him effectively. Remember to play the mission as well. He only has two scoring units that can easily be taken out, then the game is yours as long as your troops stay alive.

The key to these lists below is to target his infantry units first and then let the Biovores and other blasts get rid of them. If you kill all the Infantry units within the first two or so turns, then your Fliers can not be hit by anything at all. (I am assuming there is no quad gun as you did not list it.)

Use cover as effectively as you can. If you can stay under a building or ruin with a roof, the only one of the tanks that can hit you will be the Leman Russ'.

1005 Pts
HQ
Hive Tyrant
2x Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Elites
Zoanthrope Brood
Zoanthrope

Troops
Tervigon

Tervigon's Termagant Brood
30x Fleshborer, 30x Termagant

Fast Attack
Hive Crone

Heavy Support
Biovore Brood
2x Biovore

Tyrannofex
Acid Spray, Stinger Salv

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1005 Pts
HQ
Hive Tyrant
2x Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Hive Tyrant
2x Twin-Linked Devourer with Brainleech Worms, Wings

Elites
Zoanthrope Brood
Zoanthrope x2

Hive Guard Brood
Hive Guard x3

Troops
Warrior Brood
x3 Warriors
Devours, Scything Talons, Barbed Strangler

Warrior Brood
x3 Warriors
Devours, Scything Talons, Barbed Strangler

Heavy Support
Biovore Brood
2x Biovore

[WestRider]

He's running 4 HS Choices there. The Manticore can't be Squadroned like the other Artillery options.

Also, was that a typo on the Points level? Because I'm adding that up to be well over 1100 Points, even assuming no upgrades on the Command Squad.

Or was there only actually one Manticore? Because that would sort both issues out pretty well.

With those issues out of the way, Venomthropes+Area Terrain makes anything pretty resilient to those Blasts/Barrages. FMCs are completely immune to Blasts, so they're an excellent choice here.

[yowster12]

Isn't the Griffon an Ignores Cover weapon??

[yowster12]

Isn't the Griffon an Ignores Cover weapon??

[tylertt]

It does not have the 'Ignores Cover' USR, but it a barrage weapon and there can negate a lot of cover out there since the blast comes from the centre,

[WestRider]

The Colossus is the IG Artillery piece that has Ignores Cover. Fortunately, that one's really expensive, so you don't see it so often.

[yowster12]

Then that is the thing putting the hurt. Colossus not griffon. In between that and manticores It is screwing everyone. Its tough... In bigger games he puts camo con his vehicles and puts them behind an aegis. I can sort of deal with it with two flyrants. But its hard indeed.

[WestRider]

OK, in that case, he's WAY over 1005 Points. That right there is going to be a major problem.

[vorian]

I played a game this week at 1750 points when the IG player brought 5 chimeras, 2 leman Russ, 2 vendetta and a vulture. He castled his tanks around the relic and my 2 flyrants had great success hitting multiple tanks per turn with electroshock grub templates, while the biovores rained death at anything that tumbled out of the tanks!

[saxif]

Yeah IG you just need large blasts and stuff to crack open tanks ... Zoans can actually be hit and miss cos if you get it wrong massed las gun fire will take them out easily.

Dunno about points limits but make a list of all the units you think do well vs guard and then make your list from only them.

[jifel]

We should get this thread updated with a new name. First off, double the amount of Biovores you're currently using. Second, I think Nids will actually match up well against Guard with one blip. Hydras. Those things are death for Crones and Harpys, we must be careful. The Wyvern also murders gants, so that's a problem to point a Flyrant or 3 at.

[gigasnail]

hydra also doesn't have interceptor and is on chimera chassis vehicle. i'm not too worried.

[Deleted]

Shouldn't this thread be renamed for copyright reasons? =X lolz