Shadow of the Warp???

[bruyo]

    Hi fellow Hive Minders


        I'm currently Playing a warhammer 40k tournament in latin America, and today i had a huge fight including warnings of the tournament's Jugeds. Can someone explain to me how works the shadow of the warp rule of m tyranids in enemy librarians etc.....

for me is this way:

a) he call the psychic power to use
b) he roll for perils of the warp 3 dices( 3,5,6) an tell me he cah choose wich dices he pick to use (3,5) to avoid the miscast...
c) he and judges takes my codex and faq and say the 3 dices are only for the 6,6 or 1,1 to take perils of the warp. because the dex and faq dont say u need to use the 3 dices

a) how works that? he use he 3 dices (3,5,6) for a total of 14 and cant throw the power?
b) he is force to use (5,6) for a total of 11 and cant throw the power?
c) he can choose (3,5) for a total of (08) and throw the power?

he throw me a warp rift power killing me a tervigon, 2 biovores and a hive guard in aniquilation game...

sorry for my crapy english i speak spanish, but anyway i can understand you answers...

my first game i destroy a eldar jetbike army... i can still get to top 5 players in tournaments but i dont want judges force me to roll again to use my rules or that ones they are telling me...

thx

[Davor]

Now I can't remember exactly how it works, don't have codex on me, haven't played in ages. But I know the judges are wrong. I believe you roll 3D, and pick the two highest dice. So I believe b) is correct.

Just wait and someone will confirm. Sorry I couldn't be more help. All I know, is the Judges and your opponent is wrong. Why would you get a warning?

[cad]

Its a leadership test on 3D6, no picking. He rolled a 14 and failed.

[Raven]

a) how works that? he use he 3 dices (3,5,6) for a total of 14 and cant throw the power?

This is the correct way to play it. The judges are completely wrong and need to read the codex entry again.

[ksp]

It's 3d6 for the test. No discarding of any dice, however he will only suffer perils if the dice roll if the roll includes a double 1 or 6

[tylertt]

Sept 1, 2013 3:25:09 GMT ksp said:

It's 3d6 for the test. No discarding of any dice, however he will only suffer perils if the dice roll if the roll includes a double 1 or 6

It sounds to me like they are potentially thinking of the old Eldar rules with Rune of Witnessing(?) combined with Shadow in the Warp results in some form. How they have decided this applies to a Space Marine Librarian, I do not know.

Anyways, as already stated, you are correct. 3D6 LD test, no throwing dice away, perils only occurs if two 1s, or two 6s are rolled.

[lordofthebrood]

It sounds like you need to find new judges...
The codex is very clear about '...take the test on 3D6'. There's nothing about removing any dice.

[glassiya]

under SinW psyker had to pass Ld test on 3d6 instead of normal 2d6.

I don't know, how you can interpret that any other way.

[coredump]

Actually, skip the codex. It has been superceded by the FAQ.

The FAQ, however, is pretty darn clear also.

Page 33 – Shadow in the Warp, second paragraph.
Change to “Any enemy psyker within 12” of a Tyranid with the Shadow in the Warp special rule must roll an extra dice when taking Psychic tests, and will suffer a Perils of the Warp attack on the roll of any double 1 or double 6.

Please note the 'and', there are two different issues here.

1) The psyker rolls an extra die: So instead of rolling 2 dice, he now rolls three dice. (There is nothing that allows him to pick only 2 dice to add together.)

and

2)The psyker gets a perils on any roll of double 1 or double 2.


To further help with 1), since I *think* I understand what the judge is thinking...

P.67: A psyker test is a leadership test
p. 7: A Leadership test says "Roll 2D6 and compare the result to the model's Leadership."

Note: P.7 says to compare "the Result", So when SitW says to "add a die", that means P.7 becomes "Roll 3D6 and compare the result to the model's Leadership."

Unless they can find a rule that says anything different. (hint: They can't)

[grarik]

As far as I'm aware, it's a 3d6 test, as stated by others. This might be an odd question, but were the rules the english version? I've heard of rules getting muddled up slightly when translated, but that's the only way I can see that explains the judges answer.

[Davor]

I really need to find my codex. I am oh so wrong.

I just wonder if it's a language discrepancy. Non english. For us in english it's clear as day, but maybe the translation leaves room for error and misunderstanding.

Then again, GW writes in english and there is error and misunderstanding as well. I really hate to see what it's like in a translated book.

[fragile]

The rule is on page 5.

You may also be told to roll a number of dice in one go, which is written as 2D6,3D6 and so on. Roll the indicated number of dice and add them together

It clearly tells you to add them together

[CptDutchie]

As stated by the others, the judges are wrong here. The Shadow in the Warp rule is pretty clear on what has to be done. I'm not familiar with the tournament ways, but I would tell the judges so, backed by showing the rule again.