Multiple hive tyrants/swarmlord (fluff related)

[revx]

is there any fluff in books or old codex (i only started playing with the current codex) that would suggest that the battle field has more than one hive tyrant or hive tyrants and swarmlord at the same time?

[jinx]

Jul 2, 2013 12:57:06 GMT revx said:

is there any fluff in books or old codex (i only started playing with the current codex) that would suggest that the battle field has more than one hive tyrant or hive tyrants and swarmlord at the same time?

there is Always more than 1 hive tyrant active on a battlefield,most battlefields span entire planets,as such,even with warriors to support it 1 tyrant would NEVER be enough,the swarmlord however is only used in utter desperation,he is unique so there will never be 2 of him

[Squire]

I couldn't imagine there being more than one HT in a 40k sized army

[forteh]

Jul 2, 2013 14:04:58 GMT Squire said:

I couldn't imagine there being more than one HT in a 40k sized army

Don't forget that 40k battles are generally only a tiny snapshot of a part of the battlefield and in reality the course of a game would probably take place in a matter of minutes

[infornography]

There could easily be another tyrant in the area when a skirmish breaks out, but to your point, I do think the fluff makes a point about the tyrants being the major node for entire battlegroups and it probably would be unusual, but not unheard of for there to be multiple tyrants in a small skirmish.

[revx]

well the reason i ask if there was fluff, is because someone at my local store was crying i run a swarmlord and flyrant. he was saying there are never two tyrants on the battle field at the same time. i've read the fluff in the codex and it doesnt say that. it only says the hive mind spawns the swarmlord as a stress induced action.

i was just trying to find a book or other codex that refutes the "theres only 1 HT ever"

[jinx]

Jul 2, 2013 14:20:50 GMT revx said:

well the reason i ask if there was fluff, is because someone at my local store was crying i run a swarmlord and flyrant. he was saying there are never two tyrants on the battle field at the same time. i've read the fluff in the codex and it doesnt say that. it only says the hive mind spawns the swarmlord as a stress induced action.

i was just trying to find a book or other codex that refutes the "theres only 1 HT ever"

that just sounds like somebody that isn't capable of accepting his loss

[coredump]

And I would also assume that when Marneus Calgar is involved in a battle, he is dealing with 10's of thousands of troops, not 75.

And in the fluff, there may be a single HT, but he is accompanied by 100's of gaunts per marine...

Fluff *can't* be fully reflected in a game.

[beefythepug]

Jul 2, 2013 15:50:03 GMT jinx said:

i was just trying to find a book or other codex that refutes the "theres only 1 HT ever"

  You won't find anything to refute it, because no rule exists to exclude it in the first place.  Thats what our force org is for.  Swarmlord is a unique character so yes, only 1 of him per battle.  A tyrant is just an HQ choice like any other army.

Jul 2, 2013 16:08:53 GMT coredump said:

Fluff *can't* be fully reflected in a game.

  Exactly, from a fluff standpoint, it may be atypical for more than one tyrant to be on a 40k sized battlefield.  But if the OP's friend uses his imagination, the tides of battle could have forced multiple tyrants to retreat into close proximity, who are now rallying together as a new force.  Or perhaps the Hive mind realized the Swarmlord needed reinforcements and sent over an additional Tyrant from somewhere else on the planet.  Possibilities are endless.

[revx]

yea i always tell them since my flyrant is usually dead T1 or T2 (i like to use him as a heatseeker missle =P) that swarmy is there because of the stress induced response.

[thisguy1109]

Jul 2, 2013 14:20:50 GMT revx said:

well the reason i ask if there was fluff, is because someone at my local store was crying i run a swarmlord and flyrant. he was saying there are never two tyrants on the battle field at the same time. i've read the fluff in the codex and it doesnt say that. it only says the hive mind spawns the swarmlord as a stress induced action.

i was just trying to find a book or other codex that refutes the "theres only 1 HT ever"

If you are feeling like trolling at some point you can take 4 flyrants as part of 2 primary detachments in a 2k battle. Your opponent will be begging for just 2.

[beefythepug]

Jul 2, 2013 18:18:44 GMT thisguy1109 said:

If you are feeling like trolling at some point you can take 4 flyrants as part of 2 primary detachments in a 2k battle. Your opponent will be begging for just 2.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to try that at some point, I only own 2 flyrants presently. So from a fluff standpoint, to justify 4 perhaps the hive mind needed an immediate and powerful response to a unique and beneficial form of biomass that would greatly benefit the hive fleet, why not send your best, war isn't about fighting fair after all.

Here's a question, has any list ever given you trouble when you run 4x flyrants? Doesn't seem like there is enough AA right now to effectively take down any more than 2 in a turn (assuming dice gods were favorable to the opponent).

[fleetofclaw]

4 Flyrants is a thousand points, that wouldn't leave you much room for much else.

But I'm completely baffled as to how someone would try to exclude you from using two Tyrants when there is absolutely nothing rules-wise that prohibits you from doing so. And who gives a flying Ripper's sphincter about how likely or unlikely it would be to have 2 Tyrants nearby in the fluff. I would stop wasting your time trying to find a fluffy rebuttal to this guy, especially when 2 Flyrants or Swarmy/Flyrant is *hardly* a broken combo anyway. Especially since it sounds like you suicide your Flyrant haha.

[thisguy1109]

Jul 2, 2013 20:39:42 GMT beefythepug said:

Jul 2, 2013 18:18:44 GMT thisguy1109 said:

If you are feeling like trolling at some point you can take 4 flyrants as part of 2 primary detachments in a 2k battle. Your opponent will be begging for just 2.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to try that at some point, I only own 2 flyrants presently. So from a fluff standpoint, to justify 4 perhaps the hive mind needed an immediate and powerful response to a unique and beneficial form of biomass that would greatly benefit the hive fleet, why not send your best, war isn't about fighting fair after all.

Here's a question, has any list ever given you trouble when you run 4x flyrants? Doesn't seem like there is enough AA right now to effectively take down any more than 2 in a turn (assuming dice gods were favorable to the opponent).

The closest thing I had to trouble was Dark Eldar simply due to the amount of poison. I like to run a 'nidzilla'-ish list; and Iron Arm doesnt help when you are being hit with splinter rifles and such. That being said, I still won.

Also, I had a little trouble in a kill points game when spawning guants, but that was the Tervigons, not the Flyrants. And my opponent was close to tabled, but he had killed a lot of guant units.

With 4 Flyrants you can run them very aggressively turn 1 and beyond. And, you will usually get first blood if you can get all 48 tl dev shots in range. Plus, if one dies, it is not big deal, you have 3 more MUWAHAHAHAHA

Biovores and Doom of Malantai do a decent job of clearing out Aegis defense lines.

I converted 2 carnifexes into flyrants for $ sake.

The list I run is:
4 Flyrants w/ tl devs (roll all 4 on biomancy)
2 Tervigons w/ st, ts, catalyst
2x10 Termiguants
2x3 Hive Guard
1 Doom of Malantai w/ Mycetic Spore
1 Biovore

[coredump]

I think I would drop to 2x2 hive guard, and 3 biovore. But thats me.