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Post by Space is pretty big on Oct 13, 2012 2:33:01 GMT
So an odd debate wiggled itself into my head a while back, and it was started by a pair of testicles.
See, someone converted a lion miniature to be a weapons platform. It was a clever conversion, having the lion's neck straddled with a gun mount and all other sort of cybernetic equipment... he also put testicles on the lion.
Now, it was a bit of a tongue and cheek thing, like how frat boys draw male genitals on everything, but it's not the first example of adult content in a 40k conversion.
Other examples were things like using adult figures to make giant daemoness, or a chaos army with bare breasted women.
I'm american, and as many of you european forum browsers may know our country has a weird mix of prudish and perverted fascination with sexuality.
We treat it like taboo, but as a result it's ironically insidious in our culture, constantly pointed too without ever being discussed.
By contrast many countries in europe are so casual about sex, that it loses its ability to be provocative, and is thus is used less in popular culture, lacking the impact needed to titillate audiences.
In 40k tournaments and games stores, our miniatures are covered in blood, guts, severed heads, disemboweled torsos, and all other sorts of goreific imagery. Yet I have a hard time imagining a provocatively dressed or nude woman, taking the roll of a daemon or an avatar, that wouldn't raise a few eyes or grumbles by the staff at a US Games Workshop.
Sure, there's deamonesses, and Eldar slaves, a couple of rare examples that, again originate from an english company. Only, on the whole it's hard to find to much adult content mixed into the US stores.
So, thoughts, opinions, questions, or even personal opinions? Whats your take on sexualizing 40k?
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Post by Davor on Oct 13, 2012 2:38:51 GMT
Not sure, how I would like it. If done properly, I have no problem with it, like the old deamonessess with bare breast. Doing it for doing it sakes though, I don't think I would like it. Not sure if I woiuld like to be putting testicles on all my gaunts, that would be a daunting task, so I would say no to being autotomically correct Nids.  But then again, GW already has put a Gentleman Parts on a Tyranid unit and if looked at a certian angle, the front of a a Tyranid gun looks like a womans privates. Chapter house already put a Lady Parts on their version of a Mycetic Spore Pod and it turned me off, so I say No. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 2:49:56 GMT
. . . Biovore . . .
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Post by gigasnail on Oct 13, 2012 4:18:51 GMT
i'm into hentai, so, you can probably guess my opinion. GW is goofy. most of their fluff is about horrendous stuff, with mass genocide being about as tame as it gets. pretty sure being afraid little timmy's mom won't buy him plastic crack because it might have barenekkid ladyparts on it would be a close approximation to their true reasoning for not having more adult sculpts.
not that having naked people running around the wonderfully hazardous battlefields makes a whole lot of sense, either. but, hey, half the dark eldar models are barefoot, so why not. see also the fluff for wych cults, emporer's children, dark eldar in general, etc for reasons to represent the models sans clothing (or at least have some options for it).
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Post by swarm492 on Oct 13, 2012 4:28:46 GMT
Personally i wouldn't want to see any cross breeding of races, that could just destroy the fluff completely. Now if i could rationalize it despite the oh my god its different burn it with fire attitude of the imperium. Even races that are close would be a real stretch like eldar and human. Perhaps if it was kept in the novels I wouldn't have a issue, there's countless people on countless worlds, weird stuff happens. As far as the minis go I couldn't care less, I trust gw to keep it within reason, topless deamons and such would honestly happen, and does in the books so go for it in my opinion.
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Post by Xantige on Oct 13, 2012 5:06:43 GMT
Honestly, I think GW could get away with having some nudity in it's models if it really wanted to. The old Daemonette models are a good example. That's just sort of... Slaanesh's thing. I'm not really opposed to nudity -- as long as there's a reason for it. I really don't want to see nude Space Marines... There's also this difference between nudity and sex that people sometimes forget. I'm fine with nudity, but I'm not sure I want to see GW's models with a sexual side. I really don't want to see near naked girls wrapped around poles and guys that have traded their power fist in for a... erm... power crotch  . |
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Post by commandersasha on Oct 13, 2012 6:09:10 GMT
Oh, Xantige, what have you done? You know Chapterhouse will probably start working on their Powercrotch upgrade sprue as soon as they read this...
Personally I like handsome and sexy in my Sci-fi and Fantasy, and although I'm not getting any of either with my current army (not even Furry rat girls do it for me), I have growing plans for my next army, which will be a power-armour derivative, but with mixed gender models, and Raging Heroes' models will be featuring heavily. Frenzied cultists, Sisters Repentia, Dothraki barbarian mercenaries, 300 Spartans,Blood Vestals... why not?! I don't play against kids, so I can have a 'mature content' army, however immature that may seem!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 6:30:47 GMT
I do find it funny, and pitifully sad, that massacres of millions is considered good fictional fun . . . but nekkid bodies?!?! EVIL!!![/i][/u] Although it's not just sex that people treat that way. We can gawk at artwork of soldiers having their hearts blown out their backs and have deep discussions on how to kill fictional beings with superior efficiency but I can't mention that I enjoy marijuana on forums without someone labeling me as lazy, criminal gutter trash. You can turn on the TV to Cops and watch Police treat people rudely and batter them but if a nipple slips out on TV it will be a media doodoo storm. You can say doodoo but not (please do not swear), even though it is literally the same thing. The sad fact is that the overwhelming majority of people keep this circus going because they are fine with parading their own peeves as serious concerns and don't have the guts to question themselves. It's certainly done here on TTH and I'd bet you feed the weird beast too, although you are free not to anytime you decide to stop and question it. As Captain Planet said, "The power is yours!!!!"  |
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Post by gigasnail on Oct 13, 2012 6:34:00 GMT
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Post by ravengoescaw on Oct 13, 2012 6:50:32 GMT
Personally I would prefer a little more "nudity" on my plastic models, where fluff implies there should be some. Slannesh Demonettes, Dark Eldar Blood Brides, some Wytchs ETC. Now if all female Space Marine Chapter were modeled, nude, or even Bikini It would annoy me. One of the things that make space marines space marine is their armor. As for the possibility little jimmy might not be aloud to play because of plastic nipples.... anyone who knows the rules, has the skill to paint an army, and has the patience to do so. I am fairly sure they will be old enough to have played with real ones. If not, not my problem. I don't like the idea of playing a twelve year old. One, I like trying to win. Against a child, you can't beat them, because they lash out when not happy. Last thing I want is one of my models slapped, smashed, thrown because someone is losing. Two: I don't interact well with children, I am an Infantryman, I swear, say off color things ETC.
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Post by t⊗theark on Oct 13, 2012 7:13:47 GMT
There's plenty of nudity. Most daemons are nude (incidently, daemonettes are the most clad, I much preferred the 3rd edition models) and I do believe that Dark eldar have some interesting slaves. I mean look at the kroot's next mean on this Knarloc.  www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Tau/KROOT/KROOT-BAGGAGE-GREAT-KNARLOC-.htmlI also don't mind the whole 'nudity for nudity's sake' where there's stylized exposure for no practicle reason .In the same way I stay away from the very competative parts of game play for the 'see you at the pub' atmosphere, I like to embrace the sillier parts of 40k's fluff past. The parts where chaos gods play games with the eldar and Calgar got his gauntlets from a competition with a chaos champion. I enjoy the look of the old Dark Eldar wyches and the story of Tryzan thanking an inquisitor for the Catachans he kidnapped for his collection. I've had the opotunity to go through the Rogue Trader stuff where the grimdark was turned down a bit enough to see the 80's haircuts and GW didn't take itself too seriously.  That's official artwork! I guess what I'm saying is that I even though it may be a cultural thing of a socially conservative part of that country, I also think it may be another case of taking it too seriously. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2012 7:55:00 GMT
Holy (please do not swear), that's seriously official art? From what?!?! I shall forever use this to troll SM players on forums! Mwuahahaha!!!
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Post by gigasnail on Oct 13, 2012 8:19:29 GMT
lol (please do not swear) yeah, that's awesome.
if you want brutality in warhammer fluff, read gaunt's ghosts sabbat martyr where the emporer's children take an imperial governor's citadel and have fun and games with his personal harem. it's hard to tell who's coming or who's going. next look at the malus darkblade books, it's pretty much straight up torture porn for about half the books. the main character has sex repeatedly with his sister. half the characters in the nightlords books are rapists and murderers before 15 years old.
they call it grimdark for a reason, even if they're not willing to market it in plastic.
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Post by Overread on Oct 13, 2012 10:29:26 GMT
Honestly I've always found it rather - if not amusing then curious that almost all western cartoons (traditional and digital) as well as miniatures and other modern commercial things tends to have totally genderless animals. Heck its so bad half the cows you see in adverts are cows, but given a male voice. It shows a great disconnection with basic biology and with just basic anatomy and its - well - its just odd.
I agree that the prudish view is somewhat strange, then again I guess a lot of companies don't want their rating to go higher than it need to and having any form of gender identification could be seen as "exposure" on the tickbox rankings. Suddenly for a bit of skin or detail you've got your rating going up and thus your potential market going down.
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Post by robomummy on Oct 13, 2012 14:12:28 GMT
Personally i wouldn't want to see any cross breeding of races, that could just destroy the fluff completely. genestealer cults |
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