Nidz vs DE venom spam

[lotrlks]

Hey!

I am having some issues against my cousin DE army.

At 2000p he normaly fields:

HQ
Baron Sathonyx
Heamonculi w/ Liquifire gun and Venomblade

Elite -
4x Kabalite Trueborn w/ 4x Blaster. Transport: Venom w/ Dual splinter cannon
4x Kabalite Trueborn w/ 4x Blaster. Transport: Venom w/ Dual splinter cannon
4x Kabalite Trueborn w/ 4x Blaster. Transport: Venom w/ Dual splinter cannon

Troops
5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1x Blaster. Transport: Venom w/ Dual splinter cannon
5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1x Blaster. Transport: Venom w/ Dual splinter cannon
5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1x Blaster. Transport: Venom w/ Dual splinter cannon
5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1x Blaster. Transport: Venom w/ Dual splinter cannon
5x Kabalite Warriors w/ 1x Blaster. Transport: Venom w/ Dual splinter cannon
9x Wyches. Transport: Raider w/ Dark Lance

Fast Attack
3x Beastmaster w/ 5x Khymera and 4x Razorwing flock.

Heavy Support
Ravanger w/ 3x Dark Lance
Ravanger w/ 3x Dark Lance
Ravanger w/ 3x Dark Lance

I have kinda tried it all and was wondering if anyone could help with a list. I know we dont have a chance against DE, but would be nice to 1 of his units atleast

[swarmy]

How many shots is that per shooting phase? 100+ from venoms and guys inside not counting other units? I would just chuckle, turn my back on him and walk away without saying anything or placing models on the table...but I suppose he's family so that's less of an option. What do you have to work with models wise?

[Deleted]

Tell him to drop the ultra-spam tourney list if he wants to have fun, casual games with you. If he declines, offer to switch armies for a game. If he thinks he's so great and his list is fair he shouldn't have a problem showing it right?

[lotrlks]

Oct 10, 2012 18:52:52 GMT swarmy said:

How many shots is that per shooting phase? 100+ from venoms and guys inside not counting other units? I would just chuckle, turn my back on him and walk away without saying anything or placing models on the table...but I suppose he's family so that's less of an option. What do you have to work with models wise?

Yes its not much else to do, just try to loose as fast as possible. Nah the thing is we used to be about 6-7 friends that played alot. Now its only my cousin DE and my big brother CSM/Demons. Im haveing alot of fun playing against my brother, because he always changes his lists alot.

But would be nice to be able to do something about my cousins army also. It has gotten to the point I am considering starting a new army.

Models isnt a problem, I kinda have it all. If you have a master plan and I am missing some models, Ill just buy and paint em up.

[lotrlks]

Oct 10, 2012 23:14:53 GMT @60mm said:

Tell him to drop the ultra-spam tourney list if he wants to have fun, casual games with you. If he declines, offer to switch armies for a game. If he thinks he's so great and his list is fair he shouldn't have a problem showing it right?

The funny thing about my cousin and his venom spam list. He says that DE is the hardest army to play in WH40k. Really hard to just stay at range and shot.

As my brother told me the other day. It is alot more fun to play against you, because I need to use tactics against you.

Maybe I will have to build a new anti venom spam army

[swarmy]

Then again...if you wanted to go all out and show him how much spam can suck you could do something like:

== HQ ==
Hive Tyrant (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Wings, Paroxysm, Leech Essence, Hive Commander = 285 pts.

== Troops ==
Termagant Brood (240 pts.)
Termagant (20) - Devourer
Mycetic Spore
Termagant Brood (240 pts.)
Termagant (20) - Devourer
Mycetic Spore
Termagant Brood (250 pts.)
Termagant (20) - Devourer
Mycetic Spore (1) - Twin-Linked Deathspitter
Tyranid Warrior Brood (295 pts.)
Tyranid Warrior (7) - Deathspitter, Scything Talons
Mycetic Spore (1) - Twin-Linked Deathspitter

== Heavy Support ==
Carnifex Brood (230 pts.)
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms
Mycetic Spore (1)
Carnifex Brood (230 pts.)
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms
Mycetic Spore (1)
Carnifex Brood (230 pts.)
Carnifex (1) - Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms, Twin-Linked Devourer - Brainleech Worms
Mycetic Spore (1)

== Total ==
2000 pts.

You should be able to demolish his transport base pretty quick with that . Nothing but swatting paper airplanes when it comes to DE vehicles....I wish I had the models to even run something like this

Of course this is pretty easily dealt with by nuking the tyrant...not sure how it would play out going second. Ah well, potential for win, potential for epic fail. Like most tyranid armies.

[swarm492]

hate these kind of games, but that would ruin him.

[Jpogfreak886]

I play DE and i can vouch for swarmy's list. The only thing is that all those warriors will rip apart the 'fexes and Hive Tyrant (poison shots wreck MCs).

[swarmy]

Oct 11, 2012 1:52:57 GMT Jpogfreak886 said:

I play DE and i can vouch for swarmy's list. The only thing is that all those warriors will rip apart the 'fexes and Hive Tyrant (poison shots wreck MCs).

Poison shots are pretty mean but I'm not sure what else to squeak in there for synapse to keep the gants/fexes in line. If all 3 carnifexes are too much of a liability he could drop 2 fex and add 2 more spores full of 18 more devilgants? The number of gants required at that point is a little insane though ...just insane enough to work!

[t⊗theark]

You need Biovores, Hiveguard and flying monstrous creatures. Why? Killing them without them seeing you is fun and funny, Impaler cannons get around that pesky jink save, the paper people in paper people protection get eaten by biovores, Harpies and hivetyrants can hit without being hit much in return.

[lotrlks]

Oct 12, 2012 8:10:49 GMT t⊗theark said:

You need Biovores, Hiveguard and flying monstrous creatures. Why? Killing them without them seeing you is fun and funny, Impaler cannons get around that pesky jink save, the paper people in paper people protection get eaten by biovores, Harpies and hivetyrants can hit without being hit much in return.

Yes I know HGs and Biovores are nice against DE, but he has 17 str8 ap2 shots at 18ince, 10 str8 at 36ince and 96 poison shots from 36ince.

Even if I place my HGs in cover he has the speed to get in position to target me. And how long do you think it takes him to ground my flying HTs? My guess it takes him 1 venoms shotting and Im grounded. Dont forget HGs only has 24ince range and if he uses night shields only 18ince

[rpricew]

Oct 10, 2012 23:14:53 GMT @60mm said:

Tell him to drop the ultra-spam tourney list if he wants to have fun, casual games with you. If he declines, offer to switch armies for a game. If he thinks he's so great and his list is fair he shouldn't have a problem showing it right?

Pretty much sums it up... My room mate used to tailor his Tau lists to cut down Tyranids when we first started playing. After about 5 games I just quit playing him. I did so after tailoring a list to specifically beat him, which is easier vs. Tau than DE Venom Spam. After no games for a while, he started building all comers lists, and we are back to fun games.

If you have a buddy that has a Razor Spam list u can borrow, your friend will get a rude surprise, since all that poison won't work on them.

Sent from my ADR6350 using proboards

[lotrlks]

Had a new game against my DE friend. He played his normal venom spam list.

I brought something difrent to try it out:

HQ:

HT -Wings -2 x TL Dev -Biomancy
HT -Wings -2 x TL Dev -Biomancy

Elite:

Hive Guard x 2
Hive Guard x 2
Hive Guard x 2

Troops:

Tervigon -2 powers Biomancy
Tervigon -2 powers Biomancy
Termagant x 10
Termagant x 10

Fast:

Harpy
Harpy
Harpy

We played Crusade and had 5 objetives. Final score DE 10 Nidz 8 points. It was a really close fight. Of cource I made some stupid mistakes and both my Tervigons only spawned 1 turn . I think with a little bit more tweeking on the list, I can give him a desent fight

[Anggul]

I really don't understand how anyone can have fun playing lists like that, especially with Dark Eldar who are so very characterful and have so many awesome and fun options. Making a spammy and boring Dark Eldar army of all things is some kind of horrible sin. As both a Tyranid player and a Dark Eldar player I say he should be ashamed, may Vect crush him!

[tylertt]

Yeah my friend plays DE and he has a few venoms but always tries new units to see how they perform.

That list looks solid to try and compete with the spam list. Its a shame that you can't even use or try other units just for fun with such a spam heavy list to fight.