IG Armoured Sentinels

[bacchusgreenman]

OK - my opponant has discovered the CC vs walkers rule that hits are always against front armour on walkers now, S4 creatures are usless against this. So now he's constantly fielding Armored Sentinals (front AV12) with heavy flamers. We only ever play 1K battles so Swarms are a must and MC are too expensive to field. It seems my only option to deal with these things is to devote my Zoey's to destroying them (steering them away from more important tasks or a few turns of travel if they're on the other side of the field) before my swarms can even consider closing in on his lines. Seems rediculous that even Raveners or CC Warriors can't touch them.....any ideas?

[Deleted]

Raveners and Warriors with Rending Claws can hurt them, though to be to be honest I wouldn't worry about trying to destroy them. Seeing how they only have 1 attack each youshould just tarpit them with a brood of cheap gants. They won't be able to kil enough to get out off CC due to low attacks and you silence their flamers for cheap. Much more point effective than tossing hundreds of points of Raveners/Warriors at them! It should be mentioned that the FAQ clarified that you can indeed assault enemies you cannot harm.

[Jabberwocky]

Also at 1k, most players would include 1 or 2 MCs at least.

Since you must be using a prime or PoM if not, either of those can wreck AV with rending claws.

Massed stealers/ymgarls/Broodlords/Lictors would also manage it fine.

Even devilgants shooting the rear if you drop them from a pod.

[glassiya]

and that's what Hive Guards are for.

(yeah, personally I avoid them, but seriously - s8 shooting )

[Psychichobo]

Hive Guard, Stealers, Raveners... just dive in there and rip 'em up!

[paxmiles]

Oct 7, 2012 7:19:07 GMT bacchusgreenman said:

OK - my opponant has discovered the CC vs walkers rule that hits are always against front armour on walkers now, S4 creatures are usless against this. So now he's constantly fielding Armored Sentinals (front AV12) with heavy flamers. We only ever play 1K battles so Swarms are a must and MC are too expensive to field. It seems my only option to deal with these things is to devote my Zoey's to destroying them (steering them away from more important tasks or a few turns of travel if they're on the other side of the field) before my swarms can even consider closing in on his lines. Seems rediculous that even Raveners or CC Warriors can't touch them.....any ideas?

Wow...never even heard of tyranids players having trouble killing walkers.

Basically, a walker is just like killing a high toughness enemy, except you can kill them in one hit, rather than worrying about how many wounds they have.

Rending is the solution if not taking MCs. At least for melee. Remember that MCs get that special rule that allows them to strike at double strength if they sacrifice half their attacks. They are also AP2 in melee (+1 on the damage charge).

It should also be noted that sentinels are not very quick, so can usually be shot up before being engaged. Even the Gaunt's fleshborer can glance up the rear or side armor of a sentinel. The changes in 6th that allow glances to destroy things are great for this.
-Pax

[coredump]

For some reason I can't find the FAQ listing... but I am pretty sure the FAQ allows you to charge a model that you can't wound. But the rulebook still disallows you from charging a vehicle that you can't at least Glance.
So no charging those sentinels with Gaunts.


To the OP: I would like to challenge a few of your premises....

1) Swarms are not a 'must' at 1K battles; that is one option; but there are plenty others.

2) TMCs are not too expensive for 1K battles. You can get them for 200pts... not bad at all for under 1K.

3) You seem to imply that you can either go Swarm or TMC... enter the Tervigon, lets you have both.


To deal with the armored Sentinels.... shooting or TMCs are your best bet. (And shooting TMCs are even better) They are only AV10 on the side, and only 2 HP. Even S4 shooting can take them out. Deathspitters should work wonders.... And of course, BL Devs will just make them disappear.

In assault, any of the TMCs will just crush them like tin cans.

[gigasnail]

my 1k list has a dakka flyrant and two cadillac tervigons with plenty of room left over for a full brood of HG.

[DukeMantis]

Hive guard and a couple of monsterous creatures and youll totally own those walkers.

Even with two trygons or two tervigons youll have plenty of points for swarms at 1k

[Deleted]

Page 3 of the FAQ, "Can I charge an enemy unit that I can't hurt?" - "Yes".

You are free to tarpit the walkers

[coredump]

Oct 8, 2012 4:42:17 GMT @60mm said:

Page 3 of the FAQ, "Can I charge an enemy unit that I can't hurt?" - "Yes".

You are free to tarpit the walkers

Hmmmm.... I can see your point. But I don't think that is what is meant by that FAQ.
Yes, in general, you can charge a unit you can't hurt. Notice this question references p.20; where the general charge rules are listed.

Further notice the question does not reference p.76; which details the more specific rule saying you can't charge a vehicle you can't hit.


OTOH, the FAQ just makes a pretty broad statement.... so I can see playing it the other way.

[gloomfang]

As I run psyker heavy and use TK to the point of sillyness, I just hit them with OM. They are a squadron so they each take a haywire hit and they only have 2 HP (if I remember right). Played against them the first game of 6th and haven't seen them after that.

[Deleted]

Page 84, "Walkers assault, and are assaulted, like infantry models..." The part about not being able to charge vehicles you can't hurt, like Landraiders, makes sense as you can't lock them in CC either so charging one is pointless.

[gloomfang]

Oct 8, 2012 23:37:47 GMT @60mm said:

Page 84, "Walkers assault, and are assaulted, like infantry models..." The part about not being able to charge vehicles you can't hurt, like Landraiders, makes sense as you can't lock them in CC either so charging one is pointless.

Can't charge fortifications either. I was bummed out when I found my pod/gaunt building wrecker was illegal.

[Deleted]

The only time you can't charge a building is if it is unoccupied and when unoccupied emplaced weapons can't autofire, so it doesn't matter.