kill team game!

[thehorrorchord]

me and my buddy are going to start playing some small format kill team games the nights we cant get a full 40k game in.

if anyone hasnt seen these rules yet, check out the link here

heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.com/2012/07/kill-team-rules-for-6th-edition.html

with that being linked, what do you guys think would be the best kill team set up with what the tyranids have to offer?

im not exactly sure if i want to take some gene stealers with a broodlord or what yet. being as that what you can take can be scattered and mismatched. def. a really unique and cool take on killteam rules. check it out and post what you guys would take in a 250pt. kill team!

[Davor]

Just a quick read, and it seems good for poops and giggles, play it like Space Hulk. Either Stealers or better Ymgarls. This seems perfect to play 40K as Space Hulk.

[Talonis]

Nice set of rules there, Although I wonder if Tyranids will be immune to IB tests.

Also Tyranids will give up so many kill points with gaunts running wild. Not to mention warriors are base 40 points if you want to take them
A free broodlord upgrade is very nice though, but wont gain the extra wound for being the team leader. And only 2 gargoyles, without taking the theme.

[darthmeer]

Hi guys, thanks for checking out my ruleset! As nid players, do you have any suggestions on how to write the Kill Team List? Which units do you want including?

[thehorrorchord]

oh nice! it's your rule set? very good job, me and my buddy were taking a look at it, and seems like a blast.

i think it needs some rules to kinda combat IB, also something for the tyranid due to the lack of weapon upgrades on alot of smaller based models (hormagaunts, gene stealers, etc) how are they supposed to really combat the tau/SM/eldar with weapon upgrades available, and due to the fact you can't really take bigger based models (warriors, etc) by the handful, it leaves us inbetween a rock and a hardplace.

tyranids are a very synergy based army, relying on other units to really perform well, and maybe they arent cut out for team kill, but still it'd be interesting to see something implemented for they to perform alittle better without breaking the game. of course that comes along with play testing and trial and error

[Davor]

I believe, I read somewhere in a 40K game, forget where, something like the rule set that was given, was that Tyranids don't roll for IB. So no benifits or negatives can be used for them. Also since Warriors are what 3 wounds, they can't be used either.

[Talonis]

Maybe Tyranids can ignore the 3 wound rule? Lictors and Warriors, shrikes already cost so much points, and adding further points onto them before they upgrade their weapons is going to get very expensive.

Also maybe limit of 1 broodlord?

Also I think that special abilities/ war gear effect range should, als be 3", not 6". This is the trade off, you want to use the ability, you also can be fired upon. Everything else is a 3" bubble, just feels like this should be too.

Either way, Its a great rule set

[darthmeer]

Yeh I wrote it :-D. Also, are you guys using the latest ruleset? Found here:

heralds-of-ruin.blogspot.co.uk/p/kill-team-rules.html

Quite a few changes, including allowing 3 wound models.

My plan with Kill Team is to create individual Kill Team Lists for every codex, so any ideas you may have will help me write the Tyranid one. The team building rules are just a temporary measure in place until I write them all.

So far my plan for the Tyranid list is:

Team Leaders:
Warrior Prime
Lictor
Broodlord

Core (1-30):
Warrior
Genestealer
Termagant Brood (5 model squad)
Hormagaunt Brood (5 model squad)
Ripper Swarm

Rare (0-2):
Venomthrope
Pyrovore
Shrike
Ravener
Sky-slasher Swarm
Gargoyle Brood (5 models squad)
Biovore

Tyranids are one of the armies that I've never played (there are few), so didn't realise how many units the codex has... If there is any way we can combine units into one entry, that would help a lot in my writing. For example, can we combine the Warrior and Shrike entries? I.e. just give the Warrior a 'Wings' option?

[thehorrorchord]

okay sweet, PM me for my email address, ill gladly help you out in that department as well as play test the bids rules, im looking to bring these rules to my local shop and attempting to play them out with some players there!

[thehorrorchord]

as far as combining shrikes and warriors, for the most part yes, they only variance of the two is the wings, and the armor save (warriors are a 4, shrikes are a 5)

[ravengoescaw]

For this to work s a nid player you almost have to run warrior squads, or 3+ wound squad. either that or ignore IB

[darthmeer]

Gah sorry I havnt replied guys, busy busy, and I cant work out how to subscribe to this thread by email... I'll make sure I get a draft copy of the nids list done this week and share it with just you. So far im thinking of simply changing IB to an infinite range. I.e. as long as there is one synapse creature on the field, all your critters with be ok. Which means you'll still have to have a healthy number of bigger bugs on the field, but at least you'll be able to take a few squads of gaunts without worrying too much about IB (until near the end of the game maybe). If you want to email me directly, or send me any playtest info/results, my blog email is [e-mail].

[darthmeer]

Hi guys, i've uploaded the first draft of the Tyranid List:
docs.google.com/open?id=0BzbfV0v166neRklGOFFKRTZTRUE

What do you think, anything i've missed? Any ideas on extra stuff for the Armoury?

[Laier]

Glad to see you here. Ive been following your blog in about a month and is about to send you a suggestions about tyranids list. Already tested killteam rules with my friend vs his marines. Synapse creatures was on warriors and zoanthrope for 12".

Ive used "Building Your Team (Using Official Codices)" for creating my list and ended up using:
Zoanthrope as Team Leader
2 Warriors with Toxin Sacks, Boneswords and Lashwhips, Barbed Stranglers (its about 4 unusual weaponsets)
2 termagants brood with toxin sack and adrenal glands.

It was nice vs his 13 marines and 2 terminators.

So, suggestions:
- Leave synapse and IB - it gives us needed synergy, forcing tactical moves and decisions.
- Warrior prime is not needed, no place for him without IC rules.
- Include Zoanthrope in Leaders section, leave him ability to roll on psyboards but restrict any wargear from armory
- Give synapse to lictor.
- Reduce rare slots to 3 - it is standard minimal brood for nids. Beacaose 4 biovores is too much,,,
- Shift warriors from troops to elite, remove restriction on wargear, same for shrikes.
- Shift rippers to core, make brood of 3 bases.
- And about armory - how about 4th edition biomorphs options? Fleshhooks on warriors, leaping legs etc?

[darthmeer]

Hi Laier, thanks for testing out the nid list and for your email. I don't have a nid army to playtest so any comments are great.

Synapse - will this limit team creation options? I was originally thinking of simply extending the synapse range to 24", would this be better than removing it completely? I don't want player's to think they must take warriors in the team just for synapse.

Warrior Prime - I added him because I needed a 'sergeant-esque' type Leader, with access to a lot of customisable options. The Broodlord and Lictor are both slim on options. I think he's a cool addition that enables conversion opportunities.

Zoanthrope - I took this guy out simply because i think he'll be too powerful with the new powers for a 250pt game. I could restrict him to the signature powers - ala what ive done with the lexicanium in the marine list?

Rare slots - Yup, I agree, reducing to 3. Most nid rares are expensive anyway.

Warriors - Hmmm, dont know. Especially if you want to add synapse back in, and restrict Rare to 3 models.

Rippers - ok, done.

Armour - thanks, i'll take a look at the 4th ed book :-D