Broodlord Spam, Need some advice.

[l0rdf1end]

3 lists for my regular point costs below.
I really need to fit TS on the stealers at 1500 because toughness 5 and higher is causing me problems. If I do that I'm left with 92 points and unsure what to spend it on.

Otherwise the Broodlord spam is epic.
16 rolls in total for pyschic powers.
If your facing heavy mech and flyers aim for Objuration Mechanicum.
Dome is also very useful on the Stealers.
Objuration Mechanicum is also useful for overwatch control.

Enfeeble is useful for foot troops. Toughness 4 means your Devourers do ID wounds. Toughness 3 troops means your Stealers will do ID wounds.

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Flyrant Devx2 260
Flyrant Devx2 260

6 Genestealer/Broodlord 130
6 Genestealer/Broodlord 130
6 Genestealer/Broodlord 130
6 Genestealer/Broodlord 130
6 Genestealer/Broodlord 130
6 Genestealer/Broodlord 130

Trygon 200

1500
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Flyrant Devx2 260
Flyrant Devx2 260

6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148

Doom+Spore 130
Trygon+AG 210

1748
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Flyrant Devx2 260
Flyrant Devx2 260

6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148
6 Genestealer/Broodlord +TS 148

Trygon+Regen 220
Trygon+Regen 220

1848
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[rpricew]

Use your 96 points for 2 Biovores. Plus Scything talons on 3 B'Lords.

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[l0rdf1end]

I considered Biovores but they seem a bit meh... Trygon is nice if he comes down early, although the loss of +1 I from AG hurts.
Everything is soo expensive

I need something that synergises and gets in to the fight quickly.
I could remove the Trygon alltogether and just max out on TS and more stealers but I think the list needs something else to draw fire.
Also having the Trygon is another + for soaking up overwatch.

[engangsgrill]

Yeah, definitely get as many scything talons on your broodlords as you can fit. Possibly replace regen with AG on a trygon on your last list to make it 1850 with ST on all lords.

Gargoyle screen for flyrants could also be an option?

[rpricew]

Aug 20, 2012 13:59:11 GMT l0rdf1end said:

I considered Biovores but they seem a bit meh... Trygon is nice if he comes down early, although the loss of +1 I from AG hurts.
Everything is soo expensive

I need something that synergises and gets in to the fight quickly.
I could remove the Trygon alltogether and just max out on TS and more stealers but I think the list needs something else to draw fire.
Also having the Trygon is another + for soaking up overwatch.

Reason I suggested Biovores is they do synergize with what you're doing. They hit the opponent turn 1 because of 48" range. You can snipe ICs because of Barrage rules. They fit your list point range. They ignore AP4 (Guard, Necrons, Orks, Tyranids) and provide a free pinning test. If you're opponent has an Aegis Defense line... then you can shoot the guard unit hiding behind it and it ignores his cover. You can put them behind LOS blocking terrain and still fire them. And if you miss... they leave a little present (spore mines) in your enemies deployment zone.

And the best part is you don't have to change your list to add them.

[l0rdf1end]

Gargyoles are just a little slow for what i'm looking for.
rpricew, you've convionced me, ill give them a try. Thanks for the help.

One last thing I would like to clarify.
Infiltrating and going second. The rule states You cannot charge on "The first turn".
Is that game turn or player turn? So if I go second I can charge?
Seems to be a lot of argument about it.

What seemd silly in the game last night was that I was shot at, then chraged, I then won the combat but still couldnt charge in my first turn going second.

Thanks chaps.

[coredump]

There is no legitimate argument to be had.

the rules clearly state that "turn" is defined as "player turn" unless it says otherwise. Infiltrators cannot assault on the first (player) turn.


Also, if you are having trouble with T5, stealers perform better with more bodies than with TS.

[l0rdf1end]

Thanks Coredump.

[l0rdf1end]

Well this is all Broodlord with Sything Talons and 2 Biovores at 1500.

Flyrant Devx2
Flyrant Devx2

8 Genestealer(Broodlord+ST)
7 Genestealer(Broodlord+ST)
7 Genestealer(Broodlord+ST)
7 Genestealer(Broodlord+ST)
7 Genestealer(Broodlord+ST)
7 Genestealer(Broodlord+ST)

Biovore x2 90

Only concern I have is accidentally hitting my own stealers lol.
Maybe back to the Trygon..

[rpricew]

Flyrant 2TL Devs = 260
Flyrant 2TL Devs = 260

5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS/ST) = 150

2 Biovores = 90
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1500 points

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Flyrant 2TL Devs = 260
Flyrant 2TL Devs = 260

5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS/ST) = 150

2 Biovores = 90
Carnifex (2 TL Devs, Frag, TS)/Mycetic Spore (TL Deathspitter) = 250
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1750 points


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Flyrant 2TL Devs = 260
Flyrant 2TL Devs = 260

5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS) = 148
5 Genestealers (TS) & Broodlord (TS/ST) = 150

2 Biovores = 90
Carnifex (2 TL Devs, Frag, TS)/Mycetic Spore (TL Deathspitter) or Trygon Prime (TS) = 250
Carnifex (2 TL Devs, Frag, TS)/Mycetic Spore (TL Deathspitter) or Trygon Prime (TS) = 250
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2000 points

Just some ideas for going bigger... the real trick is going to be surviving Overwatch with your Genestealers and Trygons run best in pairs. Good luck and post up some Batreps in the Batrep section.

[fleetofclaw]

I'm really excited to hear how you do. I was considering giving this a try before totally writing off genestealers. I feels like they're all or nothing now: either build around them or leave them at home.

Again let us know how you do.

Sent from my Nexus S 4G using proboards

[apaosa]

Overwatch shouldn't be much of a problem unless you're charging a couple Template Weapons.

[l0rdf1end]

It really is an all or nothing list. Just started turn two of a test game (will finish tonight and post batrep) against Eldrad and eldar bikers/farseer. Eldrad is accompanied by 10 wraithguard.

We completed turn 1 and his turn 2. I manage to kill a unit of bikers and made them fail a brainleech morale check and shoot off the board. Tried the same on another set of bikers, killed 3 but they held firm.

His turn 2 saw a few more of my stealers die and my warlord (death by war walker that grounded him and then wraith guard). My turn 2 looks promissing, have several units of stealers within charge range of something. (rolls allowing it) plus hopefully a trygon coming in.

Ill likely charge his Wraith Guard with one unit of stealers just to keep them busy while I work on charging and killing everything else.
Once i've killed the rest of his army I'll work on the wraithguard and Eldrad although thats one scary unit.
The game is Annihilation and Dawn of War.

Again like the previous game, high toughness with those wraithguard is a problem. Considering going for TS on all stealers and droping the Trygon (yes im still currently testing the Trygon) and taking Doom instead.

Oh, and to make matters worse, he keeps casting Invisibilty on the Eldrad unit with Wraithguard lol.

Just a further insight, Having fearless on the Stealers is very helpful especially when they are up against a hard CC opponent.
With this game I need to ensure Synapse coverage of the Stealers in combat.
The plan being to Tarpit his WraithGuard/Eldrad sqaud. I may need to charge with two units though just to make sure I survive and keep them occupied. The problem being Invisibility.
The additional issue is a probable incoming challenge from Eldrad on the Broodlord.

I sure hopes he fails his Invisibility next turn with the help of Shadow of the Warp.

[l0rdf1end]

Im going to test this next rather than the Biovores. Personally I think Doom wll do a better job at preventing the opponent from castling.

I think I have enough TS to tackle high Toughness now. The units without will basically be suicide units to take the fire whilst the others get into cc.
There's no holding back with this list. Well...a little bit of careful play...but you want all of your Stealers into the fight turn 2 at the latest.
So obviously casaulties getting into the enemies ranks have to be expected.

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Flyrant Devx2 260
Flyrant Devx2 260

5 Genestealer(TS)+Broodlord(ST) 147
5 Genestealer(TS)+Broodlord(ST) 147
5 Genestealer(TS)+Broodlord(ST) 147
5 Genestealer(TS)+Broodlord(ST) 147
5 Genestealer+Broodlord 130
5 Genestealer+Broodlord 130

Doom+Spore 130

1498
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[l0rdf1end]

First BatRep Posted: thetyranidhive.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Tactics&thread=40300