3 quick questions.

[wisdomseyes1]

Question 1
In the psychic section it says unless otherwise stated psykers know a number of psychic powers equal to their mastery level. Now, that confuses me, since all our guys are mastery level 1.

Does that mean if I purchase 2 additional powers on a tervigan that I must chose which one I keep? I assume not, but further, if I choose to replace those powers with a book power, do I get to keep 1 or all 3?

Zoanthropes are I assume stated to know 2 powers (because it pretty clearly says they do) but if I replace them I have an issue, should I worry about replacing them?

Question 2
The book lists area terrain as 5+ cover, and ruins as 4. If the ruins are area terrain, is that 4+ inside or is it just referring to the wall? So far we have been playingit just refer to the wall, but if it is the area terrain of the ruins, then my group will have an issue again (because 4+ area terrain is something i crave and most of our terrain is ruins)

Question 3
Page 18, it says models need to be 25% obscured. It then goes on (on the right side in bold) to say that intervening models provide cover if they are partially obscured. This suggests (came up in an argument but I was skeptible) that gants can give coversaves to trygons because they are partially obscured (even ripper swarms really) does the 25% rule still need to be followed in this rule or do monstrous creatures truly have cheese now and venomthropes became worthless (stupid FAQ letting the enemy keep it's initiative)

[carnogaunt]

1) This is overridden by the Tyranid FAQ, which says we can replace our codex psychic powers with powers rolled from the book. You can choose to exchange all of your codex powers, and you keep all of them, but a Mastery Level 1 Psyker can only use one of those powers per turn.

Presumably, in the future there will be units simply described as "Psyker, Mastery Level 1" with no specified powers. This situation will be entirely covered by the rule you are referencing.


2) The walls of the ruin are regular terrain (must be 25% obscured, etc.) and give a 4+ save. The base of the ruin is area terrain and offers only a 5+ save. Note that if you are on the base AND obscured by the walls, you will use the 4+ save from the walls.


3) Presumably the 25% rule still applies, but remember the space between two intervening models counts towards obscurement.

[t⊗theark]

This is overridden by the Tyranid FAQ, which says we can replace our codex psychic powers with powers rolled from the book. You can choose to exchange all of your codex powers, and you keep all of them, but a Mastery Level 1 Psyker can only use one of those powers per turn.

Wait, this confused me. Is it: if we choose, swap all of our powers for that in the Rule book; swap a power a model has for a dicipline in the book (e.g. a zoanthrope looses warp blast to become a biomancer) or; swap a codex power for a dicipline (e.g. all models with warp blast are instead biomancers)?

[wisdomseyes1]

Jul 24, 2012 6:47:22 GMT t⊗theark said:

This is overridden by the Tyranid FAQ, which says we can replace our codex psychic powers with powers rolled from the book. You can choose to exchange all of your codex powers, and you keep all of them, but a Mastery Level 1 Psyker can only use one of those powers per turn.

Wait, this confused me. Is it: if we choose, swap all of our powers for that in the Rule book; swap a power a model has for a dicipline in the book (e.g. a zoanthrope looses warp blast to become a biomancer) or; swap a codex power for a dicipline (e.g. all models with warp blast are instead biomancers)?

It's a model by model basis.

My question wasn't really answered clearly though. I asked if I got to keep all the tervigan psychic powers or if I had to choose one that i rolled. It says "unless otherwise stated, a psyker knows a number of psychic powers equal to its mastery level" and that wouldn't make much sense as a rule, since psykers know more than one psychic power as basically a rule of thumb, so I assume it would have to be stated that it is allowed to know more than one.

[Biotitan]

Our codex states that they know more than one, and the FAQ clarifies that we exchange powers on a 1 for 1 basis. So say you have a Tervigon with all 3 Tervigon powers you can chose to keep it with the codex powers or exchange all of them (it has to be all codex or all rulebook powers, you can't mix and match on the same model) for 3 rulebook powers, which you would roll for individually (and can be freely chosen from Biomancy, Telepathy or Telekinesis in any combination)

This is done on a model by model basis, so a unit of 2 Zoanthropes could have 1 with the codex powers and the other with 2 powers from the new lores.

[Jestar]

It says that Psykers can replace their powers with the new ones including powers you have paid for, and Mastery level dictates the number of powers that can be used per turn. In many cases Mastery level also dictates the number of powers known, but you can often buy more.

Example: Tervigon is Mastery level 1, and has one power known. However, if you pay 15 points for catalyst; you then have 2 codex powers (already got dominion) that you can swap out for 2 of the new powers (Still can only use one per turn).

Have to say, I'm loving 2 Biomancy powers on a Tyrant now. I can use 2 TL Devourers and not have wasted points because of only being able to shoot 2 weapons.

[uterina]

Ahoi,

"Example: Tervigon is Mastery level 1, and has one power known. However, if you pay 15 points for catalyst; you then have 2 codex powers (already got dominion) that you can swap out for 2 of the new powers (Still can only use one per turn)."

and the FAQ-Rule:
"...for each power it has from the codex tyranids (including those it has purchased) generate a new power...."


Does this mean a tyrant can generate 4 psychic powers from the new RB and then choose 2 powers out of these 4 generated ones instead of just rolling for 2 powers and being forced to take those 2 rolled ones.

[Sledgehammer]

No, he has two powers which you can either coose from the codex or roll for in the new rulebook...

[phrexyian]

Jul 24, 2012 10:48:37 GMT Biotitan said:

Our codex states that they know more than one, and the FAQ clarifies that we exchange powers on a 1 for 1 basis. So say you have a Tervigon with all 3 Tervigon powers you can chose to keep it with the codex powers or exchange all of them (it has to be all codex or all rulebook powers, you can't mix and match on the same model) for 3 rulebook powers, which you would roll for individually (and can be freely chosen from Biomancy, Telepathy or Telekinesis in any combination)

This is done on a model by model basis, so a unit of 2 Zoanthropes could have 1 with the codex powers and the other with 2 powers from the new lores.

Where does it say you have to swap all powers from a codex for the Rule book powers?

We are playing it that way but the only reference I can find is to swap one for one.

Thanks in advance, I'm still having a hard time with this one.

[gloomfang]

Jul 24, 2012 13:13:45 GMT phrexyian said:

Where does it say you have to swap all powers from a codex for the Rule book powers?

We are playing it that way but the only reference I can find is to swap one for one.

Thanks in advance, I'm still having a hard time with this one.

Its in the Tyranid FAQ. It states you can keep you powers or swap them all for powers in the BRB. It then goes into what disciplines you can select and how to roll for the powers.

[carnogaunt]

Jul 24, 2012 8:19:44 GMT wisdomseyes1 said:

My question wasn't really answered clearly though. I asked if I got to keep all the tervigan psychic powers or if I had to choose one that i rolled. It says "unless otherwise stated, a psyker knows a number of psychic powers equal to its mastery level" and that wouldn't make much sense as a rule, since psykers know more than one psychic power as basically a rule of thumb, so I assume it would have to be stated that it is allowed to know more than one.

Sorry about that. I started typing before I realized how late it was and I just posted what I had. However I did mention, "you keep all of them."

If the other posters haven't made it clear, what I meant by that is that if you are allowed a certain number of rolls on the discipline tables, that is the number of powers that you will have during the game. So far I don't think there is anything in the game that rolls for powers and then discards some.

The reason our Psykers can take more powers than indicated by their Mastery Level is the amendment in the FAQ. That is where it is stated that they can know more than one.

[wisdomseyes1]

Does this mean a tyrant can generate 4 psychic powers from the new RB and then choose 2 powers out of these 4 generated ones instead of just rolling for 2 powers and being forced to take those 2 rolled ones.

Well I know the tryrant chooses 2 as an upgrade, so she only knows 2, not 4

Our codex states that they know more than one, and the FAQ clarifies that we exchange powers on a 1 for 1 basis. So say you have a Tervigon with all 3 Tervigon powers you can chose to keep it with the codex powers or exchange all of them (it has to be all codex or all rulebook powers, you can't mix and match on the same model) for 3 rulebook powers, which you would roll for individually (and can be freely chosen from Biomancy, Telepathy or Telekinesis in any combination)

This is done on a model by model basis, so a unit of 2 Zoanthropes could have 1 with the codex powers and the other with 2 powers from the new lores.

Where does it say you have to swap all powers from a codex for the Rule book powers?

We are playing it that way but the only reference I can find is to swap one for one.

Thanks in advance, I'm still having a hard time with this one.

It says in the FAQ you may replace *all* of the powers known. My gaming group played it the same way at first. I wanted to keep catalyst and replace onslaught and dominance for something I would actually use, but sadly I can not.

If the other posters haven't made it clear, what I meant by that is that if you are allowed a certain number of rolls on the discipline tables, that is the number of powers that you will have during the game. So far I don't think there is anything in the game that rolls for powers and then discards some.

The reason our Psykers can take more powers than indicated by their Mastery Level is the amendment in the FAQ. That is where it is stated that they can know more than one.

So, basically, tervigon gets 3 psyhic powers from the table of my choice? Good, that's all I need.


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Any more detailed responses on number three? (not that I think carnogaunt is wrong but I looked for the way to justify it myself and now my friends know about it, which really helps me alone. Still don't want to have a cheesy advantage that may not be right)

[infornography]

I believe Carnogaunt is right on that.

Also the FAQ nerfed venomthropes further in removing the defensive grenades, adding the effect of defensive grenades without the ability to throw cloud at the enemy but only gave it to the venomthrope brood instead of all units under the cloud. It made me sad.

[gloomfang]

You only get the 2 extra rolls if you pay the extra 30pts for Catalyst and Onslaught. If you don't pay you don't get them.

And you still need to pick your tyrant powers. However Swarmlord does get to roll 4 times for powers.

[ferro]

wisdomseyes1 said:

Question 3
Page 18, it says models need to be 25% obscured. It then goes on (on the right side in bold) to say that intervening models provide cover if they are partially obscured. This suggests (came up in an argument but I was skeptible) that gants can give coversaves to trygons because they are partially obscured (even ripper swarms really)

carnogaunt said:

3) Presumably the 25% rule still applies, but remember the space between two intervening models counts towards obscurement.

I disagree with Carnogaunt on your third question. There is no indication that the 25% rule is in effect if there is an intervening unit between the target and the shooter. A gaunt may 'partially obscure' a Trygon, and therefore the Trygon gets a 5+ cover save. It seems that the 25% rule only applies to terrain features (and vehicles at all times).