Venomthrope question

[masterofillusion]

Just wondering about something that will make or break my decision whether to invest in venomthropes.

Could a monstrous creature benefit from the cover save of the spore cloud rule?

Also the "defensive grenades"?

[killercroc]

May 29, 2012 14:44:43 GMT masterofillusion said:

Just wondering about something that will make or break my decision whether to invest in venomthropes.

Could a monstrous creature benefit from the cover save of the spore cloud rule?

Also the "defensive grenades"?

Yes monstrous critters get cover saves from the spore cloud.

And defensive grenades make it so your opponent doesn't get the +1 attack for charging you.

[nurglitch]

Yup.

So long as a unit is within 6" of a Venomthrope, it'll benefit from a Spore Cloud's Cv5+. Defensive grenades and dangerous terrain checks to enemy units charging them too. That charging unit may suffer casualties, but they won't incure the I1 penalty for charging units in cover. Some models charging Venomthropes will be I1 thanks to the Venomthrope Lash Whips though.

Also, Defensive Grenades remove the bonus attack for charging. So you know how a squad of Tactical Marines, sans Sergeant, get two attacks on the charge and one on the defense? They'll only get one attack on the charge against a unit with Defensive Grenades. See page 36 of the rulebook.

[masterofillusion]

Whoohoo! That settles it then, I'm getting them. Finally my tyrant will have a small chance against those nasty krak missiles. Thanks Hive!

[greatescape13]

Exactly the reason to use them. Make sure your swarms "tendril" back to within range of the Venomthrope to get the benefits, and then have them supporting your MCs. Ideally, you can hide them behind a Tervigon--for example--as savvy players will pick on the venomthropes first and foremost.

Cheers.

[Inquisitor Stingray]

Also, sticking a Tyranid Prime with the Venomthropes can be a good idea if you're facing a lot of S8+ weaponry. Also having a Prime in the squad can stretch the radius of the Spore Cloud by a few inches, while still maintaining unit coherency.

[gloomfang]

May 29, 2012 14:44:43 GMT masterofillusion said:

Also the "defensive grenades"?

Fun fact about venomthropes and defensive grenades. Assault and defensive grenades can be used to attack vehicles in HtH. Trade in all your attacks for one grenade attack. The grenade attack is S4 +D6 vs AV. That means that hormagaunts and such without AG can glance AV10.

Good little trick for people who know your guants don't have AG and try to use walkers and such to tie them up.

[nurglitch]

The difficulty being that the unit using the Defensive Grenades has to have one member within 6" of the Venomthropes at the Initiative they fight at. Difficult to do and only really useful if you're attacking Scout Sentinels. Because unless the walker was Stunned or Immobilized, then you're hitting on 6s against its front armour.

[gloomfang]

May 29, 2012 18:48:10 GMT nurglitch said:

The difficulty being that the unit using the Defensive Grenades has to have one member within 6" of the Venomthropes at the Initiative they fight at. Difficult to do and only really useful if you're attacking Scout Sentinels. Because unless the walker was Stunned or Immobilized, then you're hitting on 6s against its front armour.

Not all that dificult to get the daisy chain as most people do that for the cover save anyway. Also I ment it more for attacking parking lots, but I have a lot of people who assault my guants with dreads becasue they ignore the dangerous check and prevent AG from working (I almost always have them on my Tervi or Horms). They figure that my guants cant hurt them and can tarpit the unit. So with at least 6 guants I can feel safe getting at least one glancing hit, which is better than nothing. And they really don't expect it. Once you kill that DCCW the tervigon can just wade in and kill it with minimum risk.

YMMV.

Still a little bonus that most folks forget about.

[halos]

You strike against the front armour of Walkers even with grenades so those gaunts are still gonna be stuck there 'til the end of time unless said walker is AV10, which is like one unit in the entirety of the game I think.

Still can work against rear AV10 tanks and may occasionally surprise your opponent.

[Psychichobo]

Think of it as more like a handy bonus rather than something to rely on.


Also, if you're that way inclined, it works on Gargantuan creatures too.

[masterofillusion]

Venomthropes are finecast now? FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


"Dear GW, why do you hate me?"

[Jabberwocky]

War walkers and scout sentinals are front AV10. I think killa kanz might be too? You can also use them on rear AV10 that thinks it's safe pushing into/through you.

[nurglitch]

Killa Kanz are AV11 front and sides. But good call on the War Walkers. I'd almost forgotten they existed, which is weird considering how I've been wrestling with the notion of buying some.