Dealing with Flyers...

[onehappyhippy]

Do we have a silver bullet for dealing with flyers?

I suspect in the up coming ‘friendly’ tournament I’m playing in I’m going to face a few flyers, mostly marine ones but also Drukhari etc.

Is the simply answer a Flying Hive Tyrant and engaging them in combat or is there a better (cheaper points wise) option?

Thx

[killercroc]

Feb 4, 2019 23:58:58 GMT onehappyhippy said:

Do we have a silver bullet for dealing with flyers?

I suspect in the up coming ‘friendly’ tournament I’m playing in I’m going to face a few flyers, mostly marine ones but also Drukhari etc.

Is the simply answer a Flying Hive Tyrant and engaging them in combat or is there a better (cheaper points wise) option?

Thx

You can use a Flying Tyrant with claws for something to fight them 1-on-1 in the air yes, or Relic Scythes if you're behemoth.

Personally I just use the same units I use to kill tanks to shoot down flyers, it's simple but can work. Hive guard against them, dropping to BS 4+ but it's not impossible especially if you have 6 and use the shoot twice stratagem. We don't have any really solid good anti-flyer stuff and personally I think the Crone is a hot mess, so just attack with normal anti-tank units and hope for the best.

[remington]

Flyrant w/mrc or relic m.b.s&l.w can one shot a flyer. Although, happened me only once. So it is a bit hit or miss. They do some damage sure.
My silver bullet is 1-2 tfexes (+pathogenic slime) with some smite shenanigans (neuro, tyrant). They usually bring a flyer down nicely. Eldar flyers tends to come within 18" to use smite, same goes with space marine flyers (stormraven) to shoot with the hurricane bolters. They will burn. A single acidfex w/ps puts 10 wounds on an avarage on stormraven. Add couple smites and that's that. Exocrines works too with the pathogenic slime.

[onehappyhippy]

Hmmmm

I’m quite limited points wise as I only have a 1500point limit (see thread here for the various evolution and iterations of the list: thetyranidhive.proboards.com/thread/56357/new-nid-army-1500-tournament )

But in brief I was working on a Kraken Swarmlord+OOE+Stealer alpha strike battalion and a Jormungandr Spearhead / Battalion of hive guard and Carnifexs (for the cover save).

Was just wondering if it was worth a rejig to try and squash in a flyer to combat other flyers, possibly drop one venom fex for a harpy with dual venom or similar, which can get across the board, shoot and tie up something if required.

[hiveoverall]

Zoanthropes smiting enemy fliers works, but with a few caveats (if chaff ois thrown at you, enemy psyker close by who can counter smite, etc.) but its quite reliable, even though it is lots of points

Tyranofex but a good player can stay out of range, at least for first turn

So Flyrant MRC + venom canon (relic VC works well if opponent forgets about it) is best IMHO

200 gaunts will prevent it from landing hah hah but who wants to play THAT

BUT killerkroc has nailmed it best, double shooting hive guards do it too, though alaitoc flyers may dodge all these bullets if they are lucky. Also, Eldar (craftworld and drukary) 2 PC strat to get -1 to be hit may ruin that plan hah hah

No simple answer

[devilrules]

Mind bullets are our silver bullets against flyers.

[hiveoverall]

We should also talk about sh.t sitting in ruins and firing on us, laughing while our toughness 3 stuff dies in droves.

[justanotherhivemind]

Acidfex is a great Flying Vehicle hunter as others have said. Maybe Hivecrone is you ran a few, but I would use an Acidfex over a Hivecrone.

[zimko]

60pts of Jackals with demo charges and 2 CP backed up by an Alphus. It's a decent unit for it's price. You could spent 2 CP to deep strike right next to the flyer, but I'd just hide your jackals best you can and wait for the flyer to move towards you. Then you can move to the flyer and launch your grenades. 4d6 shots at 3+ to hit (+1 from strat and +1 from Alphus) averages about 14 shots and 9 hits. Then you have a 2+ to wound so you're averaging 7 to 8 wounds. Then they may have a 5+ invul so you're averaging 5 wounds get thru. 5 x d3 damage equals dead or mostly dead flyer. Finish with a smite.