Kastelan Robots Maniple

[stonehorse]

www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/kastelan-robot-rules-danger-will-robinson.html

Our Monstrous Creatures are looking to be worse off with each new book that comes out.

Same cost as a Carnifex, and more resilient thanks to toughness of 7, and a 5+ invulnerable save, stronger in combat due to 2 powerfists, and can have 6 in a squad.

But at least the models aren't as nice as a Carnifex.

[gigasnail]

The FW models are boss though. I'm not a fan of the derp Robb robot.

[nurglitch]

They come in units of a minimum two Robots and a Datasmith, for 290pts. Their firepower is a torrent flamer, unless they upgrade. They don't get D3 S9 Hammer of Wrath hits on contact, they're W3 A2, can't be Fleet, and they have to declare their battle protocols the game turn before, rather than as needed with Tyranid psychic powers like Catalyst and Onslaught.

[stonehorse]

May 1, 2015 19:06:29 GMT nurglitch said:

They come in units of a minimum two Robots and a Datasmith, for 290pts. Their firepower is a torrent flamer, unless they upgrade. They don't get D3 S9 Hammer of Wrath hits on contact, they're W3 A2, can't be Fleet, and they have to declare their battle protocols the game turn before, rather than as needed with Tyranid psychic powers like Catalyst and Onslaught.

A Torrent flamer that they can fire twice with the right battle protocol. Which may need to be done a turn before, however they can't be stopped, and aren't reliant upon successful dice rolls as the Tyranid Psychic Powers are. They have 3 attacks as they have 2 powerfists. Also they don't need to a babysitter with Synapse special rule to stop them from eating themselves.

Sure they come in a squad size of 2 minimum with a Datasmith, however Carnifex's are rarely seen in single model broods, 2-3 is the norm.

[nurglitch]

That's my point, that they're more easily stopped than a Carnifex.

[stonehorse]

They have Toughness 7 with 2 wounds, a 3+ armour save, a 5+ invulnerable save that has a chance to bounce back attacks, doesn't need another model within 12" to be under player control, has a special rule that can grant Feel No Pain isn't easier to stop than a model that has Toughness 6 4 wounds, 3+ save, and needs another model near by to be under player control.

They are better than Carnifex's, they can also double their number of attacks, so that can be 5, and 6 on the charge. Sure their Hammer of Wrath attacks aren't as strong, and can't get fleet, a small price to pay for the boons they have for a small price tag.

[rogueaccount]

I really wish they'd have added a couple more colors to the ones in WD. Gotta say right now I'm not a fan of the aesthetic.

[WestRider]

May 1, 2015 19:20:34 GMT stonehorse said:

May 1, 2015 19:06:29 GMT nurglitch said:

They come in units of a minimum two Robots and a Datasmith, for 290pts. Their firepower is a torrent flamer, unless they upgrade. They don't get D3 S9 Hammer of Wrath hits on contact, they're W3 A2, can't be Fleet, and they have to declare their battle protocols the game turn before, rather than as needed with Tyranid psychic powers like Catalyst and Onslaught.

A Torrent flamer that they can fire twice with the right battle protocol. Which may need to be done a turn before, however they can't be stopped, and aren't reliant upon successful dice rolls as the Tyranid Psychic Powers are. They have 3 attacks as they have 2 powerfists. Also they don't need to a babysitter with Synapse special rule to stop them from eating themselves.

Sure they come in a squad size of 2 minimum with a Datasmith, however Carnifex's are rarely seen in single model broods, 2-3 is the norm.

If they want to fire the Flamer twice, they have to declare it a Turn in advance, and then they can't move for any reason until they next switch Canticles. I'm pretty sure you're mainly going to see the "fire twice" Canticle used with the ones upgraded to Phosphor Blasters, since they at least have some Range. Also, if you can kill off the Datasmith (easier said than done, I admit), they can't switch Canticles, which can be crippling if you pull it off when they've got that one up.

The Invul only works against Shooting, too.

They're good, don't get me wrong, but they also require a lot of forward planning to get the most out of, and it's gonna be really easy to screw up with them.

[glitchrr36]

I'm not sure of the ingame quality, but the models are (please do not swear).

[nurglitch]

May 2, 2015 1:49:02 GMT WestRider said:

May 1, 2015 19:20:34 GMT stonehorse said:

A Torrent flamer that they can fire twice with the right battle protocol. Which may need to be done a turn before, however they can't be stopped, and aren't reliant upon successful dice rolls as the Tyranid Psychic Powers are. They have 3 attacks as they have 2 powerfists. Also they don't need to a babysitter with Synapse special rule to stop them from eating themselves.

Sure they come in a squad size of 2 minimum with a Datasmith, however Carnifex's are rarely seen in single model broods, 2-3 is the norm.

If they want to fire the Flamer twice, they have to declare it a Turn in advance, and then they can't move for any reason until they next switch Canticles. I'm pretty sure you're mainly going to see the "fire twice" Canticle used with the ones upgraded to Phosphor Blasters, since they at least have some Range. Also, if you can kill off the Datasmith (easier said than done, I admit), they can't switch Canticles, which can be crippling if you pull it off when they've got that one up.

The Invul only works against Shooting, too.

They're good, don't get me wrong, but they also require a lot of forward planning to get the most out of, and it's gonna be really easy to screw up with them.

It is pretty neat how they've retained the aspect of forward planning for optimum use, and without any overly-complex programming shenanigans.

[WestRider]

Yeah. We'll have to see how the whole effect plays out, but as it stands, I think it's a pretty cool mechanic.

[abraxxas]

Is there any other reason out there instead of "because...reasons" that tyranids, the most MC heavy army in the 40k universe don't have anything tougher then T6 in our codex? I am really hoping when our turn comes around we will have a bump to this. I am tired of my enormous, terrifying destroyers of armored tanks having to be careful of mass flashlight fire.

[WestRider]

May 20, 2015 13:33:14 GMT abraxxas said:

Is there any other reason out there instead of "because...reasons" that tyranids, the most MC heavy army in the 40k universe don't have anything tougher then T6 in our codex? I am really hoping when our turn comes around we will have a bump to this. I am tired of my enormous, terrifying destroyers of armored tanks having to be careful of mass flashlight fire.

Because GW's Dev Team don't know how to do their jobs, or how to play their own game at a serious level.

[nurglitch]

Alternately, it's a conscious design decision made in the aftermath of 4th edition's Nidzilla lists where Tyranid players could just wander through the flashlights rather than having to engage in tactical and strategic game-play to neutralize them first.

[abraxxas]

Other armies have MC's with higher then T6 and they can't just wander through. Not all of our MCs need to be T7 or 8, I think that would be terrible but having one even could make a huge difference.

Sorry this isn't what this thread was intended for I just saw another army with something that should be a basic stat for us and it irritates me. I mean come on GW, give us something tough...