Hive Tyrant with wings

[wilsson]

Hello,
I just start my tyranids army and need help to how is good way use Hive Tyrant with wings and what other upgrade I should take...
Thanks

[tylertt]

The best/most effective build is the Dakka Flyrant. Equipping him with x2 sets of TL Brain-leech Devourers is the absolute best option in our whole codex.

As for other upgrades, people often take Electroshock grubs on them, and occasionally you see regen on a Warlord flyrant. Regen is a little overpriced though IMO.

[thenerfed]

^That. I don't think Regen is overpriced being you roll a 4+ now, instead of a roll of a 6 like last edition. Take it. Think about taking electroshock or not, depending on who you are facing. Lots of 2+ 3+ saves? Take it as well. Flyrants are a point sink, but for good reason. They can easily take out more than their cost, and add fear factor. Don't drop him alone, keep rolling for reserves and create multiple T6 targets/swarms.

[gigasnail]

Regen is often regarded as overpriced. The upgrade only works half the time and only if the opponent doesn't just kill the unit outright.

It'd be a steal at 10-15 points but I'm not paying 30 for that.

Fighter ace, on the other hand...

[FTGT-BeeCee]

fight ace seems like a ton of fun. I haven't had the spare points to really try it out.

The problem with Regen is a Hive Tyrant has 4 wounds. Usually if your opponent is putting a wound on one, it's usually best to go ahead and wipe it out. Will there be games that you will swear by regen? Absolutely, but the name of the game is consistency, and i don't think you are consistantly getting 30 points of value out of regeneration.

[nubitron9000]

I have played around with regen on and off and I tend to like it on... yea it's 30 pts, but if you only have 1 flyrant it can be remarkably useful! Sure there has been times when he dies first turn and I don't get to use it and there's been times where he lived the whole damn game and I didn't roll a single 4+ to get a wound back...but as someone said before me, consistency has been pretty solid. Regen has consistently gotten me 1-3 wounds back per game. There have been many instances where having ONE wound left (that I regen'd earlier), the flyrant is able to narrowly escape and live for another turn or more. 30 pts is worth another turn of a flyrant to me.... but of course, my meta may differ from yours. I suggest playing around with it! All the other biomorphs are useless for that build (Dakka Flyrant) because they mostly pertain to combat.

I've been fiddling around w/ an ALL close combat list lately so my flyrant is a little different (LW&BS, scy talons, old adversary, and adrenal glands)... I've been digging this loadout quite a bit.

[mattblowers]

Jan 28, 2015 18:44:58 GMT gigasnail said:

Fighter ace, on the other hand...

How has that worked out? What situations do you find it stellar? I haven't even given it a second look because of the cost and maybe I should. 240 is enough points for a 4 wound model.

[gigasnail]

I haven't got to play it, but how much is making your warlord essentially invulnerable worth to you?

[detharmonic]

I'm personally a fan of Regeneration as well. As others have pointed out, it can be clunky at times.. but getting even 1 wound back over the course of the game makes it worth it.

I'm also a fan of the fighter Ace upgrade. I've rolled the extra synapse range result a few times.. but even a chance at the extra wound or the ability to fly off the board during the opponents turn is worth the points.

Both of these upgrades compliment each other very well. If you take one, try taking the other. so you might have to take 5 less gargoyles or something to squeeze in one of the upgrades. Its worth it, imo. Tyrants are our bread and butter, anything to increase their durability is good.

[gigasnail]

That's 65 points, and with fighter ace you're even less likely to need or be able to use Regen. I can't get behind this.

[FTGT-BeeCee]

obviously the gem with flyer ace is the flying off the board ability. Having that extra turn of shooting can be paramount, especially when the firepower of a flyrant is at stake.

[tylertt]

Is fighter ace something that people have included in their games often? I have yet to use them myself or see/read about people using them.

[thenerfed]

What I'm seeing is. If your not spamming the army into the ground with something particular, Lictors, Stealers, Devilgaunts, Special formations, and you have a balanced non-rage quit army, then regen is good. Lets face it. We don't pull out special RAGE list every day for the regulars including myself.

However. It is JUST 30 pts. That's cheaper than a lictor, or venomthrope. I don't feel like it would break any meta that absolutely demanded other items to work and just barely fit in a 1500/2000 list. I think you could always squeeze it in honestly. If ONLY on your flyrant. Hell take fighter ace TOO. No reason to completely piss the other guy off with just one model. If there are multiple targets (stealers, waves of gaunts, cover, etc) all the better. It will live, regen, and lay the dakka.

But tell me if I'm wrong.

[gigasnail]

it's not really a great idea. will it break the bank and ZMFG YOU TOOK REGEN AUTOLOOZEFAIL!

no.

but there's lots of (please do not swear) we have that won't autofail you, but still isn't a good idea. man take it if you want to, but that 30 points could be:

both mucolids you need for troops in a CAD
egrubs on 3 flyrants
5 gargoyles (a.k.a. 5 extra wounds on your skytyrant)
1/3 of the warrior tax for bioblast or living artillery node

etc

[mattblowers]

Jan 29, 2015 18:36:25 GMT gigasnail said:

I haven't got to play it, but how much is making your warlord essentially invulnerable worth to you?

Has it changed since Death From the Skies supplement? It's a random roll table.