Does anymore play warhammer?

[jimmyp]

Hello does anyone play warhammer on here? Was thinking of doing wood elfs when the new codex and treeman models came out in October.
But all this end times story and rumours of the new edition being very different has really put me off.
Anyone excited or not looking forward to the new edition in spring (rumour)

[eskimo]

It has intrigued me a bit, i love the WHF models but the money sink puts me off. Having lumps of infantry with no unique characterists is a bit meh.

If they used similar rules to 40k i wonder how much more money GW would get? Learning a whole new game is also a huge time sink too.

[jimmyp]

Jan 19, 2015 17:49:10 GMT eskimo said:

It has intrigued me a bit, i love the WHF models but the money sink puts me off. Having lumps of infantry with no unique characterists is a bit meh.

If they used similar rules to 40k i wonder how much more money GW would get? Learning a whole new game is also a huge time sink too.

yeah i was going to go my local gw shop and have a first try at warhammer see how it plays. not sure how many points people play but heard today its large 3000 point games..
keep looking at wood elves models and even looked on u tube how to paint, very tempted...must resist until spring i reckon

[halos]

I would wait til these rumours settle; the current thought is that the next edition will spring-board off of end times to hugely change the game in some fashion. The more pessimistic sources suggesting the down-sizing or outright removal of parts of the range.
It's why my Ogre army currently sits half completed, I'm waiting to see how things pan out before dropping any further cash.

[jimmyp]

good idea halos best to wait....

[eskimo]

Upon skimming dakka someone said that there would be a choice in playing pre/ endtimes in the rule book.

I think it's too early to really give any thoughts about the way it could go.

But i like to think buying relatively new/ not old plastic boxets would be safe to think they wouldn't be discontinued. I wouldn't be suprised the reason of them downscaling/ condensing was to eliminate the metal and possibly finecast models.

[gigasnail]

i don't play WHF, i just collect the models to use in 40k. some really awesome sculpts out of the new plastics.

[jimmyp]

Yeah the models are amazing!! Love the wood elves models a lot. The recent skaven models are awesome!!
Hope the changes are not too drastic thou otherwise lots of people will be disappointed...

I have been reading the end times story so far and it's mad stuff indeed! Characters and even whole races killed off, merged and changed.
There's is even draigo hint from grey Knights lol!!

[WestRider]

Jan 19, 2015 23:16:29 GMT gigasnail said:

i don't play WHF, i just collect the models to use in 40k. some really awesome sculpts out of the new plastics.

Yeah, I've got a set of BlightKings done up as Spawn, another set that are going to get converted into either Plague Marines or Nurgle Termies, a Pox Maggoth as a Great Unclean One, and a couple of Morghasts as Daemon Princes. Some really excellent stuff in there.

eskimo: 40K and Fantasy actually used to have pretty much identical Rules back in the Rogue Trader days. Even in 2nd Ed, you could hack the two systems together if you wanted to. But they've been steadily diverging since they first came up with 40K, so the odds of them reversing that seem slim.

[creatureboi]

From the rumours I have seen/heard the new edition is going to be completely different. They are moving to a skirmish rule set similar to Lord of the rings. Models are getting circular bases to support this but will still be able to rank up using special movement trays to get the benefits of a ranked unit.

They are also apparently completely gutting the range of armies. I heard there will only be 6 different factions in the final game. Part of this seems to be down to copyright. Because they are using fantasy races like dwarfs and elves that are common to most fantasy fiction universes they are limited in what they can protect as intellectual property. So they are dumping anything that can be copied by other companies.

As an ex-fantasy player im very disturbed by the rumours I have heard. I certainly wouldn't go back to fantasy any time soon.

[eskimo]

^^wow, if that's the case this could seriously hurt their sales. People with several thousand point armies becoming "unplayable" is going to upset people to the point of boycotting GW.

If Tyranids were dropped, i'd keep playing but wouldn't bother buying anything GW ever again. Eratic decisions does not give any confidence.

But i hold hope for a decent overall WHF layout.

[WestRider]

I've heard that most of the reduction in Factions is just consolidation. Just one Elf Army instead of three, one Chaos Army instead of three, one Undead Army instead of two, stuff like the Undead Legion Army and whatnot from the End Times books. We'll see, tho.

[creatureboi]

Yes the reduction is consolidation but as part of that you're going to see a lot of models dropped completely. The specific example I heard was undead. Yes they are merging tomb kings and vampire counts (like they used to be literally decades ago) but at the same time dropping most of the "Egyptian themed" models - I.e. Almost all the tomb kings stuff. So effectively what you are getting is the vampire counts army book but with a couple of extra models.

Similarly with the merging of the three elf armies you will get a lot of duplication. Each army is basically the same units but with a different look and a few special rules. They're not going to include three different spearman units, three different light cavalry units, three different heavy cavalry units etc etc. I've already heard they plan to drop ALL the dark elf monsters which is basically half of the character of that army. I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the khainite elements as well judging from the fluff in the khaine end times book.

The dwarfs and ogre kingdoms are supposed to be merging with the empire and bretonnians and the lizard men are going completely from what I heard.

It's all scary stuff for people who have existing armies as there's absolutely no guarantee that anything you have will still be valid post- end times. Imagine the rage that us nids felt when they took spore pods off us this edition then magnify that feeling when they take your entire army away.

Not just that but it's been said that even after 9th ed comes out nothing will be fixed. There's supposed to be loads of short term releases coming out then disappearing again as new units are created and destroyed.

If that's true it's an absolutely stupid business plan as no one will ever buy anything, not knowing if they will still be able to use it next week.

I take all these rumours with a whole mountain of salt because to me this business plan only makes sense if it's a deliberate ploy to completely destroy the entire company. However, if I were considering starting fantasy in any way, shape or form currently then I would be seriously put off by even a fraction of these rumours being accurate.

[eskimo]

Dunno why GW doesn't make a public speech about it. Big things like this must reach head office, surely? All they need to say is, "we will be consolidating armies in the future and removing old finecast and metal models from the range, this will allow players to own less but larger books and become and cheaper and easier game to play overall". Or some other BS / deceiving speech along them lines. You just need to look at the video game industry, continual bad games being released, with marketing tactics selling the games and empty promises and full blown lies. And yet, the consumer laps it up, every single time.

[angelwing]

I'm not fussed about fantasy. The rumours have a slight interest, but I'll be honest I've played two test games of 8th just when it was released, and hadn't played before that since about half way through 7th. I lost interest when the majority of my group were practising tournament players (ie no fun whatsoever as it was almost pointless setting up an army against them) and the few moderate players started playing the newly released 5th ed 40k for a change of game.
Perhaps a radical overhaul of the rules will tempt me back in, but I won't be buying any new models for it.