Toxicrene/Malceptor First Impressions

[deusmorte]

So I was wondering what everyone's first impression of the new Nids were. Here are their stats/rules below:

Toxicrene 160-ish pts (Heavy Choice, unit composition: 1)

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
3 3 5 6 5 3 6 8 4+

Special rules
Fearless, Instinctive behavior (feed), Poisoned 2+, Shrouded, Hypertoxic (6's to wound inflicted by poisoned weapons whether in combat and in shooting= instant death)

Weapons/Biomorphs
Acid Blood, Choking cloud, Lash whips, Toxic miasma

Choking cloud
Rng S AP Type
12" 3 - Assault 1, Ignores cover, Large Blast, Poisoned 2+, Hypertoxic, Predatory sentience (Gets armorbane against open topped vehicles
and vehicles that have already lost one or
more hull points)



Maleceptor 205-ish points (Elites Choice, unit composition: 1)

WS BS S T W I A Ld Sv
3 3 6 6 5 3 3 10 4+

Special rules
Psyker (lv 2)
Shadow in the warp
Synapse Creature

Weapons/Biomorphs
Scything talos

Powers
Maleceptor always knows Psychic Overload and must generate the remainder of its powers from the Hive Mind chart

Psychic Overload: Warp charge 2. Focused Witchfire. Range 24". Target must take a Ld test on 3d6 (Vehicles can be affected as well and count as having Ld 10 for the attack). If the test is failed the target takes d3 wounds no armor/cover saves allowed. Vehicles that fail take a glancing hit with no cover allowed. The psyker may attempt to manifest this power up to 3 times in each of its psychic phases. Each attempt must be resolved separately. However a single enemy unit cannot be the target of Psychic Overload more than once a psychic phase.


My first Impressions

Toxicrene: OMG is this guy nasty. He's like a venomthrope on cocaine and steroids. He does all the same things a venomthrope does and much much more. He's got ID on all of his attacks (since they're all poisoned), even the shooting ones, can get armorbane on his shooting attacks. Great for taking out light vehicles but Carnies still do it better against heavier armor. The large blast ignores cover on his shooting attack is just nasty. Still has all the same downsides as any other MC. I think given the choice though, I'd rather have an Exocrine over this guy simply for the longer range S6 and Ap2. On the upside, he can threaten just about anything an army can bring short of flyers and AV 13+, but thats what C-fexes, Hierodules, and Dakkaflyrants are for.

Maleceptor: Meh. His power is really only good unless you get the target within your shadows range and then you might end up killing enough guys that they'll be out of range unless you're able to catch them in multiple bubbles. On the upside, multiple of these guys could glance even heavy vehicles to death, but if I were going to take that approach I'd be trying to charge the vehicles with something that could take them out for sure in the assault phase anyways (like C-fexes). I basically just see this guy as a Tervigon with a better power that can't poop out gaunts for roughly the same price.

[sentsuki]

I think the toughness is incorrect on the toxicrene and big brother zoey, unless they are really the squish. Redacted: stats just not lining up.

[deusmorte]

Nope, everything is correct. I'm looking at the WD right now. My FLGS got it early.

[sentsuki]

I think that I love our lovely new models, but where am i ever going to get the wc's to ever fuel big brother zoeys ability three times

[swarm492]

It has 6 attacks?

[stonehorse]

I think we should avoid buying them, a 4+ save, really? They are dire, nice to see that GW keep to the WS3 and BS3, I think it shows that GW can't write decent Tyranid rules when the Haruspex has less attacks then the Toxicrene for roughly the same point. The Toxicrene has Lashwhips, and poisoned, so attacks before the Haruspex, and is wounding most things on a 2+, with a 6 being ID.

It is far better in combat.

[Kwodd]

I think the models are great and will probably put an acid spray gun on the Maleceptor and use it as a Tyrannofex.

[abrahamlleida]

Oct 28, 2014 1:17:26 GMT stonehorse said:

I think we should avoid buying them, a 4+ save, really? They are dire, nice to see that GW keep to the WS3 and BS3, I think it shows that GW can't write decent Tyranid rules when the Haruspex has less attacks then the Toxicrene for roughly the same point. The Toxicrene has Lashwhips, and poisoned, so attacks before the Haruspex, and is wounding most things on a 2+, with a 6 being ID.

It is far better in combat.

Haruspex has S7 and Armourbane, this dude doesn't.
They have diferent roles, but I see what you are saying. It looks just nasty!

[stonehorse]

The Haruspex has a 3+ save so can weather a bit more, strength 7 is irrelevant when the other is always wounding on a 2+, and also with double the number of attacks it will be able to hit, while also striking before the enemy.

The Haruspex if in combat against say a Wraithlord is wounding on a 5+, the Toxicrene wounds a Wraithlord on a 2+, and kills out right on a 6+.

Just a shame that it won't make it into combat with that 4+ armour save.

[abrahamlleida]

Oct 28, 2014 1:27:48 GMT stonehorse said:

The Haruspex has a 3+ save so can weather a bit more, strength 7 is irrelevant when the other is always wounding on a 2+, and also with double the number of attacks it will be able to hit, while also striking before the enemy.

Just a shame that it won't make it into combat.

You don't autowound a vehicle.
All I'm saying is that they can do different things.(or are designed for different roles)

I would never take the Haruspex against an army with heavy deathstars (the Toxicrine maybe)
I would never take the Toxicrine against an mechanized army but maybe the Haruspex

[topaxygourouni]

Oct 28, 2014 1:27:48 GMT stonehorse said:

The Haruspex has a 3+ save so can weather a bit more, strength 7 is irrelevant when the other is always wounding on a 2+, and also with double the number of attacks it will be able to hit, while also striking before the enemy.

The Haruspex if in combat against say a Wraithlord is wounding on a 5+, the Toxicrene wounds a Wraithlord on a 2+, and kills out right on a 6+.

Just a shame that it won't make it into combat with that 4+ armour save.

It carries free shrouded around all the time. Usually when my things have shrouded they always make it into combat. I can see the toxicrene being really really solid actually.

[Kwodd]

Does toxicrene have spore cloud? Don't see anything in your description that would provide shrouding to nearby models.

[abrahamlleida]

Oct 28, 2014 0:57:36 GMT deusmorte said:

So I was wondering what everyone's first impression of the new Nids were. Here are their stats/rules below:


Maleceptor 205-ish points (Elites Choice, unit composition: 1)


Powers
Maleceptor always knows Psychic Overload and must generate the remainder of its powers from the Hive Mind chart

Psychic Overload: Warp charge 2. Focused Witchfire. Range 24". Target must take a Ld test on 3d6 (Vehicles can be affected as well and count as having Ld 10 for the attack). If the test is failed the target takes d3 wounds no armor/cover saves allowed. Vehicles that fail take a glancing hit with no cover allowed. The psyker may attempt to manifest this power up to 3 times in each of its psychic phases. Each attempt must be resolved separately. However a single enemy unit cannot be the target of Psychic Overload more than once a psychic phase  .                    

What about the invulnerable save? Was it a fake?

[topaxygourouni]

Oct 28, 2014 1:34:33 GMT Kwodd said:

Does toxicrene have spore cloud? Don't see anything in your description that would provide shrouding to nearby models.

No, but it has shrouded itself. It's something

[stonehorse]

I'd care for Shrouded if Tau and Eldar weren't a thing. Other armies will just sit back and take comfort that their AP4 guns now have a better target when fighting against Tyranids, Heavy Bolters, Autocannons, and Assault Cannons are going to love seeing these two across the board.

A 4+ save is going to fail 1 in 2 times, where as a 3+ save is going to fail 1 in 3 times.