7th (6.5) Edition rumoured for end of May

[tylertt]

So I was browsing the B&C and noticed a thread about GW no longer stocking 6th ED rulebooks or Dark Vengeance & Psychic cards. Rumours floating around that this new 'edition' is supposed to come at the end of May.

Anyone else hear anything on this rumour front?

….6.5 Tyranid dex here we come….

[walleftwswe]

Yeah Natfka have a post up on this topic with some interesting details. Even tough i'am taking this with a pinch of salt as usual I hope this update bring some good stuff to make the game suit Nids a little bit better than it does right now.

[nameless]

This was from an old rumor from BoLS:

Movement:
Run: D6 or 2D6 for Flying Monstrous Creatures that are Swooping.
Consolidations: 2D6 pick one, but you only consolidate on your turn. You can charge with your consolidation move. Opponent can overwatch. You only get to fight once per turn, so if you consolidate into a new combat you don’t get to fight, unless your fist combat didn’t fight (opponent flees).
Retreats: 6 + D6
Charge: 2D6, not affected by difficult terrain.
Move through Difficult: 2D6 pick one.
Charge through Difficult: 2D6 (The same, but -2 iniative).

Reserves:
Coming in from Reserves: If there is no enemy in 24” of a particular table edge, units from reserve that use this edge to enter the table can march an additional 12”
Flyers have the “Patient Hunter” special rule which means they can choose to stay in ongoing reserves.

Assault:
Flee: You can chose to immediately lose combat after Hammer of Wrath, before any blows are struck. Iniative roll off as if you had lost combat. If you win, you do a normal Retreat. It happens before pile-ins.
Overwatch: Must win or tie an iniative roll off to overwatch. Cannot overwatch if Gone to Ground or Pinned.
Charge through Cover: -2 to initiative unless assault grenades or unit being assaulted has Gone to Ground or been Pinned.
Initiative: All models strike at their common Initiative unless they are in a Challenge, or are using Unwieldy weapons like power fists. If a unit has 3 Power Fists, and 2 Chainswords they all strike at Initiative 1.
Hammer of Wrath: Counts as part of combat resolution.
Assaulting Vehicles and Buildings: If the vehicle doesn’t have a WS (walker), then you Sweep Attack them rather than Assault them.

Psychic Powers:
Most happen at the end of the movement phase rather than the start. You have to roll for Warp charges like fantasy (complexity 4?)
Psychic powers do not require line of sight.

Unit Types:
Jump Infantry: Can use jump packs in all phases. If In difficult, and you use Jump pack, must take dangerous terrain test. Jump Packs in assault give HOW but not Rerolls.
Chariots: can Sweep Attack
Bikes: can Sweep Attack
Vehicles: D6 S6 Hammer of Wrath and have Sweep Attack which seems to replace Tank Shock. Walkers do D6 S:Unit Hammer of Wrath. “Death or Glory” against vehicle sweep attacks mean all models in unit Snapshoot at rear armor, or all models within 3” do CC attacks against rear armor. Must take fear test or WS:1. If they fail to stop the vehicle, then they take 2D6 S6 Hammer of Wrath. Only get cover saves against other vehicles.
Light Walkers: Only do 1 Hammer of Wrath. I’m thinking Killa Kans, Scout Sentinal, War Walkers.
Swarms: Take D3 wounds to Template weapons (flamers).

Special Rules:
Fleet add an extra D6, and can discard a D6 in all random moves. No Rerolls.
Move through cover, and you ignore the effects of Difficult Terrain (6” move, no iniative penalty for assault), but not Dangerous.
Shrouded: -2 to BS
Stealth: +1 to Cover
Fearless: Cannot chose to Flee
Preferred Enemy: +1 to hit for both Melee and Shooting.
Bulky: gives Hammer of Wrath.
Hit and Run: Gives Sweep Attack, cannot leave combat.
Sweep Attack: Close combat attack in the movement phase can only hit ground targets, and can be hit back. Pause during movement, cannot be within 1”. Any model within 3” can attack, and then finish movement. No Pile-ins allowed. Can be part of a Run Move. You can still shoot after a Sweep Attack. Does include Hammer of Wrath.
Vector Strike: D6 S:Unit AP:- auto hits. Hits Rear Armor. Swooping must pass within 3” of model being vector strike (no longer have to pass over). Does not count as shooting a weapon. All hits are precision hits.
Look Out Sir: On a 2+ the next closest model takes the wounds. Only 1 Look Out Sir roll for all allocated wounds. Look Out Sir is available to all models with special weapons.
Regeneration: 4+ to recover a wound. Grants Feel No Pain.

Other Rules:
Snapshooting: -3 BS.
High BS: No Rerolls for BS > 6. 1 always misses, 6 always hits.

FOC:
HQ: 0-25%, must have 1 warlord
Elite: 0-25%
Troops: 20-75%
Fast Attack: 0-25%
Heavy Support: 0-25%
Secondary Detachments: 0-25%, it includes Allies, Fortifications, Formations, Lords of War and can also include units from your primary codex. You can have 3, but must pick one after rolling for game, deployment and first turn. The player who wins first turn must select first. See example below.
Allies: Allies are part of the Secondary Detachment, but count in Primary FOC. They do not have a troop or HQ limit, and you must have only 1 ally per Secondary detachment, but you can take formations from other allies.
Fortifications: Fortifications are part of the Secondary Detachment.
Formations: Formations are part of the Secondary Detachment, and don’t count in the Primary FOC.
Lords of War: If one player brings a Lord of war and the other player does not, the first player must declare his Secondary Detachment first, and the opponent has a chance to bring fourth Secondary Detachment. Any Heavy Support in this special Secondary Detachment do not count against the Heavy Support Limit.

FOC Example:
1000 point game.
Primary Detachment:
HQ (250/250)
Tyrant (2 TL Devourers, Wings, Hive Commander) - 250
Elites (145/250)
Zoey - 50
Zoey -50
Venom - 45
Troops (200/315/750)
30 TGaunts - 120
Tervigon – 195
Fast Attack (0/250)
Heavy Support (40/250)
Biovore - 40

Secondary Option 1 (249/250):
Fast Attack (249/250):
Harpy – 135
19 Gargoyles – 114

Secondary Option 2 (250/250):
Fast Attack (155/250)
Crone – 155
Bastion w/ Comms – 95

Secondary Option 3 (250/250):
Troops (200/390/750)
15 HGaunts – 75
Heavy Support (215/250)
TFex - 175

There is a lot of this which will highly benefit Tyranid.

I think this makes a lot of sense when you compare units with Move Through Cover and access to grenades (flesh hooks).

[Moontyranid]

I dont think there Will be 7th soon but we will see

[wisdomseyes1]

Personally I would just like to see tyranids being allowed to ally with themselves.

[robomummy]

I would just like to see the elimination of Battle brothers on the ally chart or at least make it so they cant join units from another army. some of the death star units have just gotten ridiculous.

[stonehorse]

Being able to assault after running if you have fleet like it used to be will help a lot!

[seanster3000]

I like move through cover negating all the penalties of difficult terrain! Makes us better in CC (especially MCs and Genestealers).

[ash1986]

Some of these rules are a big shift towards fantasy style rules. 40K is great because of its rules being different to fantasy.

They need to make assault armies work. I think ridding pre measuring would shake it up a lot too. Being able to assault turn 1 from infiltrate would make so much difference too.
This is apparently being released for pre order at the end of May. Keeping my money saved in case :-D

[l0rdf1end]

So the replacement percentage FOC would mean you can only take 2 Flyrant's with devourers at 1850.
Even if you could ally with yourself you could never take three Flyrants unless you run the Skyblight formation.

[Inquisitor Stingray]

The percentage FOC was rumored last time and I just don't see it happening this time around. It would make fitting Lords of War into games very difficult, and I'm inclined to believe Games Workshop exactly wants those to become mainstays. Stiil, a mere allowance of assault from reserves would make Genestealers viable again. The devil is in the details and just a few tweaks could make for a better game.

[gingerwerewolf]

If it does go percentage, At most, what we'll see is a 2nd edition style change, with a minimum percentage on troops - like 25%

[revx]

Apr 29, 2014 10:41:40 GMT l0rdf1end said:

So the replacement percentage FOC would mean you can only take 2 Flyrant's with devourers at 1850.
Even if you could ally with yourself you could never take three Flyrants unless you run the Skyblight formation.

given that rumor at 1850 your formation would have to be 462 points or less; which means most of our good ones aren't useable.

[appexpredator26]

Reserves:
Coming in from Reserves: If there is no enemy in 24” of a particular table edge, units from reserve that use this edge to enter the table can march an additional 12”
Flyers have the “Patient Hunter” special rule which means they can choose to stay in ongoing reserves.

how about mawloc? i dont understand this

Assault:
Overwatch: Must win or tie an iniative roll off to overwatch. Cannot overwatch if Gone to Ground or Pinned.
Charge through Cover: -2 to initiative unless assault grenades or unit being assaulted has Gone to Ground or been Pinned.

broodlord is decent?

Psychic Powers:
Most happen at the end of the movement phase rather than the start. You have to roll for Warp charges like fantasy (complexity 4?)
Psychic powers do not require line of sight.

i dont know this is good or bad for tyranid

Special Rules:
Shrouded: -2 to BS

venomthrope? -2 BS better than +2 save?

FOC:
HQ: 0-25%, must have 1 warlord
Elite: 0-25%
Troops: 20-75%
Fast Attack: 0-25%
Heavy Support: 0-25%
Secondary Detachments: 0-25%, it includes Allies, Fortifications, Formations, Lords of War and can also include units from your primary codex. You can have 3, but must pick one after rolling for game, deployment and first turn. The player who wins first turn must select first. See example below.
Allies: Allies are part of the Secondary Detachment, but count in Primary FOC. They do not have a troop or HQ limit, and you must have only 1 ally per Secondary detachment, but you can take formations from other allies.
Fortifications: Fortifications are part of the Secondary Detachment.
Formations: Formations are part of the Secondary Detachment, and don’t count in the Primary FOC.
Lords of War: If one player brings a Lord of war and the other player does not, the first player must declare his Secondary Detachment first, and the opponent has a chance to bring fourth Secondary Detachment. Any Heavy Support in this special Secondary Detachment do not count against the Heavy Support Limit.

FOC Example:
1000 point game.
Primary Detachment:
HQ (250/250)
Tyrant (2 TL Devourers, Wings, Hive Commander) - 250
Elites (145/250)
Zoey - 50
Zoey -50
Venom - 45
Troops (200/315/750)
30 TGaunts - 120
Tervigon – 195
Fast Attack (0/250)
Heavy Support (40/250)
Biovore - 40

Secondary Option 1 (249/250):
Fast Attack (249/250):
Harpy – 135
19 Gargoyles – 114

Secondary Option 2 (250/250):
Fast Attack (155/250)
Crone – 155
Bastion w/ Comms – 95

Secondary Option 3 (250/250):
Troops (200/390/750)
15 HGaunts – 75
Heavy Support (215/250)
TFex - 175

so there's no way we can use skyblight formation, they cost 835 with winged hive tyrant twinlinked dev. must play on minimum 3340 pt game.
no more scoring gargoyle

[l0rdf1end]

Yeah, I'd take all of this with a pinch of salt, some of it seems to break formations as you say.
Still, interesting times ahead.