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Post by daboarder on Feb 15, 2014 5:12:02 GMT
I have just had the worst game I have ever had since I was mature enough to learn this game properly, and it was against a mate who is just learning with tau. (seriously he doesn't even run a tough list)
I'll post up a report in a bit but two of the highlights include killing 15 gants in overwatch and a flyrant through cover. Or,doing 18 T6 FNP wounds to my army in the following shooting phase through cover.
Our book is (please do not swear) (please do not swear) and I don't think I'm going to waste my time playing with this for the next 4-5 years while GW have their head up their own arse ignoring the outside world.
even my chaos list at least gives a game against his tau but Nids.....jesus christ its bad.
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Post by gigasnail on Feb 15, 2014 5:15:18 GMT
that sounds like a huge confluence of bad luck than anything else. waiting for batrep. getting smoked sucks.
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Post by daboarder on Feb 15, 2014 5:30:39 GMT
not really, the bloke may be new, but he really had his target priority down this game and things just disappeared. I lost Swarmlord and his 2 guards in a single turn, the turn he also killed a full wound Tervigon and caused the brain fart to backlash my gants.
and synergy my (please do not swear) foot, I spent the whole game getting smacked around by tau synergy, the next (please do not swear) that tries tell me the nids are about "synergy" I'm going to actually punch them.
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Post by gigasnail on Feb 15, 2014 5:32:53 GMT
post list and stuff, see what we can do. examples like this though are why we say walking tyrant w/ guards is a bad idea, tervigons are often as much a liability as they are a boon, etc.
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Post by daboarder on Feb 15, 2014 5:38:09 GMT
yeah the thing is I know the wlakrants aren't ideal but they shouldn't drop like that. And I'm not forking out the cash I would need to to buy a pair of new flyrants and a crone, Dropping a couple of hundred buck to minimise GW's (please do not swear) is not something I'm willing to do jsut for fun games.
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Post by gigasnail on Feb 15, 2014 5:43:14 GMT
they're just T6 with 3+ armor save. they are going to just get dropped, on average. this is why they're not all that great. there is no protection from just being torrented down.
even if you have a good LoS blocking terrain, if your tau opponent has SMS he ignores LoS, or can out maneuver you with jump suits/riptides. nids are already an uphill climb, walking tyrants make it even uglier.
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Post by N.I.B. on Feb 15, 2014 9:54:39 GMT
You don't have permission to take a Swarmlord, and then come here and cry when Tau kick your list in the nuts. I can hardly come as a surprise. Swarmlord was barely viable in the previous codex, now he's a joke. It's always like this with a new codex - buy the new, good stuff, or enjoy losing. The 5th ed codex was the same - buy the Hive Guards, Trygons and convert a couple of Tervigons. The same principle applies everytime GW wants our money, and it's not unique to Tyranids (even if we're perhaps more abused than any other army).
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Post by Deathnid on Feb 15, 2014 10:09:51 GMT
Nib has a valid point. maybe the fact the your synergy doesn't work is because you don't have any. to me it sounds like your list was a flyrant and then just a line of "tanks" (and with our codex i use that term quite lightly :/ ) and screens slowly pacing the board. Against any tau army that's a death sentence. you need to be reding up on these synergies and using them because it is actually quite necessary. utilize cover (and venomthropes), keep synapse in check, but still have enough heavy hitters to deal damage while you have distractions that the cant ignore keeping their weapons busy. Its true that you might have had some bad luck but completely rebuild your lists and add some proxies until you can buy what you need and use what we do have instead of whining about what we don't. Also the profanity filter says (please do not swear) not (carry on ill fix that up for you.
Being negative isn't going to help us deal with it or convince GW to rewrite the codex to your liking.
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Post by jizzy on Feb 15, 2014 11:28:38 GMT
just coz u suck dosnt mean the codex sucks ive won every game ive played so far (5) against: tau, dark angels, tau, raptor marines, eldar
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Post by Inquisitor Stingray on Feb 15, 2014 12:41:34 GMT
just coz u suck dosnt mean the codex sucks ive won every game ive played so far (5) against: tau, dark angels, tau, raptor marines, eldar Great rhetoric, Captain Anecdote. It sucks that you were having a bad time, Daboarder. What game mode were you playing? I find that Purge the Alien is a surefire way of having a bad time. Objective games are very much in our favor, but again it depends on what kind of cheese you're fighting. As for the GW marketing strategy I don't think its nearly as bad this time around as was the case last time. Tervigons, Trygons and Hive Guards were all mandatory choices, but this time around, save for the Hive Crone, I don't think any of the units are particular must-takes. Maybe the Exocrine, but even that is nothing special. If only they had released a dual-Thropes plastic kit or, pinch my arm, made Warriors good, I could see the argument. |
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Post by barbedsparky on Feb 15, 2014 13:37:11 GMT
just coz u suck dosnt mean the codex sucks ive won every game ive played so far (5) against: tau, dark angels, tau, raptor marines, eldar Instead of being rude and insulting, try being polite and not murdering the English language. As for winning all your games so far, why not share your obvious tactical brilliance with the rest of us so we can see such great success too... |
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Post by tylertt on Feb 15, 2014 13:55:59 GMT
yeah the thing is I know the wlakrants aren't ideal but they shouldn't drop like that. And I'm not forking out the cash I would need to to buy a pair of new flyrants and a crone, Dropping a couple of hundred buck to minimise GW's (please do not swear) is not something I'm willing to do jsut for fun games. I know the buying part is brutal, but ebay is your friend  . Buy some wings and convert your Walkrant with magnetizing to have wings. But as everyone else has posted, give us some details on your list. Let us help you. This codex is tough, but there are ways people are making things work. - Was there a solid amount of terrain & LoS blocking terrain. - How much of a factor were the dice rolls in your game? - What mission were you playing and how was your deployment? Just don't get your head down. First time I tried playing Blood Angels to just try a different army, I ran Commander Dante. I was playing Dark Eldar, and I blew up a Venom, I landed with Dante and his command squad next to the exposed KABALITE WARRIORS, you know one of the flimsiest troops around. Anyways I charged in, missed with every single one of Dantes attacks. They hit back and all hit, all wound. So I roll all 5 wounds on Dante, cause I mean a +2 should save at least 2-4 right?  I rolled 5 ones… Yatzee at least… but yeah that was my luck the entire game. I was discouraging, but you got to sit back and reflect on the game. Was tactics the issue? Dice? Terrain? |
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Post by fnorrll on Feb 15, 2014 13:59:40 GMT
just coz u suck dosnt mean the codex sucks ive won every game ive played so far (5) against: tau, dark angels, tau, raptor marines, eldar Great rhetoric, Captain Anecdote. It sucks that you were having a bad time, Daboarder. What game mode were you playing? I find that Purge the Alien is a surefire way of having a bad time. Objective games are very much in our favor, but again it depends on what kind of cheese you're fighting. As for the GW marketing strategy I don't think its nearly as bad this time around as was the case last time. Tervigons, Trygons and Hive Guards were all mandatory choices, but this time around, save for the Hive Crone, I don't think any of the units are particular must-takes. Maybe the Exocrine, but even that is nothing special. If only they had released a dual-Thropes plastic kit or, pinch my arm, made Warriors good, I could see the argument. I think that's more from even crapper rules writing than lack of trying on their part. |
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Post by omnivore on Feb 15, 2014 15:08:22 GMT
The Tau codex is a poor codex. Just because it wins games doesn't mean it is well written. It is out of whack with several "weaknesses" put in for balance that are meaningless. For instance the Tau are by and large BS3. This is to balance the fact that the base Tau gun is so good with its strength and range. However the marker lights usually change that to a BS4 or 5. Tau have WS2 and Init 2. This is presumably to balance the fact that there is so much shooting in the army such that it needs to be weak against CC. However with multiple overwatch and the basic BRB shooting and casualty rules, nothing MAKES it into CC for this to matter. Powerful shooting is balanced by terrain cover saves. Once again the Tau bypass this with marker lights and SMS. In essence Vetlock went overboard by making a severely powerful shooting army in an edition that hates you for assaulting and loves you for shooting, thus making IMHO an imbalanced and poor codex. A basic, fluffy Tau list will annihilate a balanced and fluffy Nid list. If you take a much more competitive Nid list you can win, as I did recently. I had a game vs. my veteran Tau-playing friend and was wiped out by turn 3, my CC units all gone with only a Tervigon and some gaunts left in the backfield. We had a rematch and I took a list with:
Hive Tyrant +2x devs + Regeneration(HQ)
2xTyrant Guard (talons and RC) (HQ*)
Tyrannofex
2x 3 Zoanthropes (Elite)
3xCarnofex +2x devs 450 (HS)
Tervigon (HQ)
2xVenomthrope (1 Elite)
12+12 termagants (2 Troop)
3xBiovores (HS)
1751
So I was putting out 48 S6 twin linked shots, backed up by a Tyrannofex acid and Biovore bombs with a large synapse blanket. It was a list I had to make to even have a chance.
I nearly tabled him (wiping out 3 missile Broadsides in 1 Fex volley was satisfying heh) but the sad fact was if HE took an equally nasty Tau list I would have lost hands down.
Sorry for the rambling. I guess all I can say about Nids V. Tau is that it sucks and not all codexes are created equal. Fortunately for me I am a casual gamer. When I ask to play someone and they have a DE or Tau army I will often (politely) ask my opponent to use another army or at least not make a highly optimized list. Personally I do not feel that in most cases a pointless one sided game is fun for my opponent, although it IS great fun in a tournament...
Hang in there!
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Post by Davor on Feb 15, 2014 15:50:50 GMT
Are you quitting GW, or giving GW even more money for another army?
What kind of terrain are you using? I find it amusing in GW pics which we complain a lot
about have a lot of big, tall line of site blocking terrain. When I see pics of most people
who play games, they have very little blocking line of site terrain. What did you have
when you played?
I find it funny how a lot of people complain about GW (not the OP) so they quit an army,
and start NEW giving GW even more money so they can win with plastic toy soldiers.
One thing with GW, and it makes life easier, is GW is incompetent of making rules and
stats. GW can't make a well balanced game. (well they did, LotR is a pretty good balanced
game in most cases. They make above average plastic toy soldiers. When having a game
with GW 40K expect it to be handicapped when playing. Don't expect a fair fight.
Once you can understand this, playing 40K or almost any GW game, you can have FUN.
If you want a balanced game, then you will have to play another game.
GW and balance is like McDonalds and healthy food.
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. Buy some wings and convert your Walkrant with magnetizing to have wings.
I rolled 5 ones… Yatzee at least… but yeah that was my luck the entire game. I was discouraging, but you got to sit back and reflect on the game. Was tactics the issue? Dice? Terrain?
