Alternate Carnifex builds

[Meddy]

So! Little rusty with the game in general and still wrapping my head around 6th edition - let alone our latest dex - so please point out anything I'm missing!

I've got two carnifexes begging for some love and I'm umming and ahhing over how to deck them. My meta - such as it is - consists entirely of Dark Angels, usually Deathwing, and sometimes CSM (about 1 in 10 games - it's a very small and fluffy meta) so I need marine, term and transport chewers. I resent the 2+ so much it literally hurts.

One fex is a dakkafex, and it's true the sensible thing would be to convert the second to match but...frankly...that's boring and dakkafex's look ridiculous. I'm toying with bioplasma, ST and crushing claws (CC on maybe only one model) and perhaps a tail biomorph or two. I want to wreck face in CC with a CC army. Sure, our options are limited, getting into CC is a bit of nightmare and for my two fexes I'll need to fork out god knows how much on gaunts, gargs and/or venoms, but god dammit I love flavour!

Any suggestions? Anyone had luck with CC fexes since our "new" dex? Is dual scything talon still the most cost effective cc fex?




As an aside - Crushing claws have unwieldy, yet MCs ignore unwieldy so...does the rule actually have any bearing on how they'd play out in CC when on a fex? I've been backing and forthing and feel like I'm missing something.

[eskimo]

Yeah Carnifex hit at I2 still. For fun i'd go STx2, AG, and protect them up board. Bio Plasma is cool but kinda worthless when you are that close anyway.

[guns]

Feb 13, 2014 7:55:39 GMT eskimo said:

Bio Plasma is cool but kinda worthless when you are that close anyway.

Yeah, I think half the time you're in range you wouldn't even want to shoot it, because any casualties could strip inches off of your charge range.

[Meddy]

Worth dropping the BP in favour of TS/AG (or a handful of gaunts), then?

Don't have the book in front of me, but I seem to remember fexes get a boost to initiative on the charge. If so, how does this work with crushing claws, unwieldy and the carnifex/MC special rules? Not sure in what order to apply the modifiers. Meep

[Speknawz]

Unwieldy doesn't effect MC's at all. The only reason that rule is there is for Tyrant Guards. I don't know of any initiative mods that Carnifex get from charging in this edition, I think that's from last. Now they just get more HoW attacks.

[guns]

Feb 13, 2014 8:59:10 GMT Meddy said:

Worth dropping the BP in favour of TS/AG (or a handful of gaunts), then?

Don't have the book in front of me, but I seem to remember fexes get a boost to initiative on the charge. If so, how does this work with crushing claws, unwieldy and the carnifex/MC special rules? Not sure in what order to apply the modifiers. Meep

I'd say that's the smarter move.

If you're really set on pimping them out, you could convert the BP points to Regeneration on one fex, and then try to make the most of it by positioning him closest/furthest to the enemy as the situation demands.

[eskimo]

The "Living Battering Ram" rule is now D3 HOW hits instead of +2 Initiative as previous codex. Pretty awesome.

[chuckles]

Feb 13, 2014 10:09:05 GMT eskimo said:

The "Living Battering Ram" rule is now D3 HOW hits instead of +2 Initiative as previous codex. Pretty awesome.

It is tremendously not awesome. It increases the average kills you get by an insignificant quantity.

[undead]

yeah but if u roll well it can really turn the tides with plus 2 extra attacks, admittedly at AP- it does suck a little but hey what ya gonna do it's a free upgrade

[shrike]

Feb 13, 2014 10:34:45 GMT chuckles said:

Feb 13, 2014 10:09:05 GMT eskimo said:

The "Living Battering Ram" rule is now D3 HOW hits instead of +2 Initiative as previous codex. Pretty awesome.

It is tremendously not awesome. It increases the average kills you get by an insignificant quantity.

Really? Sounds pretty good to me. What am I missing here?

[olivier]

Feb 13, 2014 10:34:45 GMT chuckles said:

Feb 13, 2014 10:09:05 GMT eskimo said:

The "Living Battering Ram" rule is now D3 HOW hits instead of +2 Initiative as previous codex. Pretty awesome.

It is tremendously not awesome. It increases the average kills you get by an insignificant quantity.

Disregarding your usual pessimistic outlook on the codex, hammer of wrath is actually useful. STR9 auto hits can be boss against vehicles, dreadnoughts, not-so-well-armored enemies, etc.

Some in-game examples:
1) front-charged a dreadnought. Impact hits break the dreadnought's weapon arm, so he has one less attack at ini10 so when the "initiative count" reaches his I4 he is much less efficient. My attacks at ini 2 finish it off.
2) a flying daemon prince that failed to kill one of my units was charged by a 'fex to help with the combat. The fex didn't get to roll to hit, neither did the flying DP: it lost its two remaining wounds thanks to the d3 auto-hits.
3) Seems like not that much chance of occurring but I actually managed to charge a squadron of land speeders by using terrain and maneuvering in order to make my opponent choose the lesser of two evils in his positioning. Guess what? d3 str9 auto hits help you when trying to take down 6 hull points of AV10 in one go.

When you use a carnifex you don't charge it into a group of 30 orc boys or some dozen poisoned wyches. In those instances, of course an extra death or three is not going to matter. You go after highly priced, low CC-effectiveness models such as power armored marines with no ap3-2-1 CC weapon; vehicles; monstrous creatures with 3 attacks or less and the delicious riptide cake.

[chuckles]

I agree it's useful. "Useful" is not the same thing as "awesome".

[coredump]

HoW will be very situational.
They have no AP value, so it will help more against vehicles and low armor save targets.

[GuardDog78]

I actually like the d3 HoW more than the initiative boost. If I'm running cc carnifex, their primary targets are always heavy armor, vehicle squadrons or fortifications...and having those extra S9 hits really shines through then.

[vampiremonkey]

Yep HoW d3 hits is really good against vehicles - i destroyed a mates ork skullhammer with fex brood in apoc 2weeks ago HoW was nasty .
However i would have still liked a +2 I for fighting certain units/armies but i guess that would have been having the cake and eating too.