1st SM list need input 2k

[kenji10000]

I have recently been on a winning streak against my buddy who plays SM, its gotten to the point where he doesn't really want to fight my tyranids anymore. He is basically stuck in a rut with his play style so I told him i would brainstorm a list to hopefully help his W/L ratio. Never actually using SM i read through the codex and here's what i have:

::HQ::

-Vulkan-190

-SM Captain-145
-Power weapon
-Bike

-Command Squad-315
-Company Champ
-2 Thunder Hammers
-2 Storm Shields
-Flamer
-Bikes

::ELITES::

-5 Assault Terminators-200
-TH+SS

::TROOPS::

-8 Space Marine bikes-225
-2 Flamers

-8 Space Marine bikes-225
-2 Flamers

::FAST ATTACK::

-3 Attack bikes-150
-Multi meltas

-3 Attack bikes-150
-Multi meltas

-3 Attack bikes-150
-Multi meltas

::HEAVY SUPPORT::

-Land Raider-250 (For the Termies and Vulkan)

Basically its a speedy Salamanders list, making use of Vulkan's chapter tactics. The attack bikes and land raider are my anti tank. The command squad is to take on things in assault while the bikes are for zipping around the map and harassing where needed. All C&C is appreciated, thanks for reading ^_^

[Devil's Advocate]

Couple things I'm not super-comfortable with:
1. Captain doesn't have digital weapons. At merely str 4, getting that one rerolled wound can turn fights.
2. Bike sergeants don't have power weapons or fists. With flamer bikes, the squads WILL be in assault, preferably because they charged. Unfortunately, they're only going to have 17 non-power attacks after charging. That may be fine against light infantry like gaunts, but it's going to be suicide against things like marines, tau suits, etc.
3. you have all of 30 wounds of attack bikes (really only 15 considering your opponents will be throwing krak missiles at them) with another 16 wounds of bikes, plus a few terminators and a command squad with captain. It just feels light
4. you might consider taking a LR Redeemer for the flame templates - fits better with the theme and those flamers benefit from Vulkan too, no?
5. Finally, the command squad + captain totals out to 460 points (for 6 models). While it's going to be a strong rampaging unit, the biggest problem is that anything that you're going to be hit with strong enough to force you to use a storm shield is going to generally deny FnP from the Apothecary.

really, that's more points than the Landraider + Assault Terminators if you think about it, with miserable durability.

I think you'd be better served to downgrade the command squad to another regular (troop) bike squad and arm the other biker sergeants with power weapons of some sort. This lowers their threat profile, allowing the land raider to absorb the bulk of the heavy firepower. you may also be able to buy artificer armor for the captain.

[halos]

Feb 24, 2011 16:31:32 GMT Devil's Advocate said:

4. you might consider taking a LR Redeemer for the flame templates - fits better with the theme and those flamers benefit from Vulkan too, no?

Actually I believe Vulkans special rule affects specifically 'flamers' therefore 'Flamestorm Cannons' are exempt.

I could be wrong but that's how my group has always read and played it. Still the Redeemer is awesome and fits nicely in a Salamanders list. It's always amusing to drop AP3 templates on an unsuspecting Tac squad...

[kenji10000]

Thanks for the advice! good points, do you think it would be better for power fists or power weapons? downgrading the commandsquad will free alot of points so either one should be fine points wise.

[halos]

Powerfists are generally the go-to option, being able to wreck tanks and insta-kill low toughness models is pretty great. Going last isn't such a huge deal when you've got another 7 T5 3+sv wounds in the squad before he gets to strike.

[kenji10000]

OK re did the list with the suggested changes:

::HQ::

Vulkan-190

Captain-155
-Bike
-Power Weapon
-Digital Weapons

::ELITES::

5 Assault terminators-200
-TH+SS

::TROOPS::

8 SM bikes-250
-2 Flamers
-Fist

8 SM bikes-250
-2 Flamers
-Fist

8 SM bikes-250
-2 Flamers
-Fist

::FAST ATTACK::

3 Attack bikes w/ Multimeltas-150

3 Attack bikes w/ Multimeltas-150

3 Attack bikes w/ Multimeltas-150

:: HEAVY SUPPORT::

Land Raider Redeemer-250
-Multimelta

Total:1995

I put a multimelta on the redeemer to make up for losing the las cannons of the standard Land raider, and vulkan's twin linking. If I take it off then I can put artificer armor on the Captain

[Devil's Advocate]

Artificer armor would better. You've got enough Multimeltas on the attack bikes, and while you still won't be able to play multi-wound tricks with any units, it does give you one less bolter hit for you to worry about.
Other than that, it's looking pretty mobile (everything moves 12" and can shoot, then assault 6"), pretty numerous (24 T(4)5 wounds in troops, 30 T(4)5 wounds in fast attack, and a land raider with 2+/3++ saves) and pretty dangerous - 6 reroll wound flamers, 15 multimeltas, 2 flamestorm cannons, 3x powerfists, 5x THammers... vulkan...

All in all I'd say it's a pretty strong list.

[kenji10000]

Thanks for your help^_^

EDIT: i think im going to call this list blazing saddles!!