What nids into Thousand Sons?

[N.I.B.]

I'm not playing much these days but when I do it's sometimes into Thousand Sons, what would you recommend having a decent chance against this:

Cult of Magic

Ahriman on Disc of Tzeentch
• 1x Black Staff of Ahriman
1x Inferno bolt pistol
1x Psychic Stalk

Exalted Sorcerer
• 1x Astral Blast
1x Force weapon
1x Inferno bolt pistol
• Enhancement: Umbralefic Crystal

Exalted Sorcerer on Disc of Tzeentch
• 1x Arcane Fire
1x Force weapon
1x Prosperine khopesh
1x Warpflame pistol
• Enhancement: Lord of Forbidden Lore

Infernal Master
• 1x Force weapon
1x Inferno bolt pistol
1x Screamer Invocation
• Enhancement: Arcane Vortex

Infernal Master
• 1x Force weapon
1x Inferno bolt pistol
1x Screamer Invocation

Magnus the Red
• Warlord
• 1x Blade of Magnus
1x Gaze of Magnus
1x Tzeentch’s Firestorm


BATTLELINE

Rubric Marines
• 1x Aspiring Sorcerer
• 1x Force weapon
1x Warpflame pistol
1x Warpsm


I assume it has loads of Mortal wounds output so monster spam feel like a bad idea? Any point to bring Norn Emissaries?
Long range shooting good? IIRC most of TS output has a 24" range or shorter.

[nidzy]

Magnus will kill two nid monsters a turn. They also have the ability to ignore los with those flamer bombs.

That said I’ve only played into them with daemons and it’s not a great matchup for them. I will say that if you can play around Magnus you should be able to outscore them and our shooting is generally pretty good at chewing up marines. If you play invasion, consider the precision adaptation over the sus1. That might seem counter intuitive but it opens up the chance to play assassinate/BEL as fixed. Otherwise vanguard is also a great choice because you’ll be much faster and all the mid sized bugs will eat rubrics as well and have the same option to precision out characters.

Tsons are extremely Killy. They are also a really complex army. You want to remove whole pieces to lower their number of cabal points quickly and take away their magic abilities which often feel like cheating if you don’t know what they can do. They are also short ranged but have some options for mobility like a deepstrike redeploy relic. Army wide dev wounds are brutal but against tough a tough the devs are the only damage they will do so fnp is good.

Let’s us know how it goes!

[piersonsmuppet]

Emissary is decent into TS, the 4+++ is super valuable into all the MWs they can throw out between Doombolt and Dev Wounds. They work best in Nexus and are serviceable in Crusher.

Main thing is to keep the Lone Op models hidden well or they can just poof to Doombolts. Try to precision out the Relics, especially LoFL… preventing a second Doombolt every turn really helps.

[purestrain]

Sept 16, 2024 19:10:19 GMT nidzy said:

Magnus will kill two nid monsters a turn. They also have the ability to ignore los with those flamer bombs!

Since the errata they cannot do this anymore.

[gman25639]

Shoot, never fought them but those flames seem nasty so avoid hordes. Shooty Nidzilla seems the way to go, I'd take triple Rupture Cannon T-fex and attempt to shoot Magnus to death with them. Maybe some Exocrines because they're good anti-elite.

[xxcoolguy9001]

I find the best way to neuter them is to limit the Cabal Points they receive. Best achieved by clearing out the rubrics and sniping the infernal masters/sorcerers via exocrines and genestealers imo.

I've also had some success with lictors and their precision into TSons, Vanguard detachment can give a unit precision which is very effective too. Being able to snipe the Infernal masters feels great. What's more, a battle shocked unit generates no cabal points so if you're lucky (or they're not) you can blunt one of their turns too.

Also if you don't run rupture cannon TFex's you'll have a hard time dealing with Magnus or the 3x Mutalith people love running these days, so focusing a lot on their cabal point generation really limits their effectiveness in a battle round. It's a different angle of attack rather than hoping to just kill all their stuff with big guns.

[purestrain]

Psychophage ruin tsons day. My buddy plays them and it's always a pain in his ass.

Eats Dusties for breakfast.